F/SN UBW TV - Episode 6 Spoiler Discussion / Poll

[Justice Knight]

is it just me or this is like FSN all over again?

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Justice Knight

is it just me or this is like FSN all over again?

Can't tell if joking or...

[Rev Okkin]

You alright there? This IS FSN after all.

That said, I wish ufotable would stick to making OVAs for their adaptations after this. It gives them more space to show what they want and do what they want. Sure, the marketing of TV anime is good and it's not like they're doing bad with TV anime adaptations, but there's stuff lacking that only the BD can tell.

Anyway, great episode, fun all around and there's the pattern of every odd episode since Ep 3 would have a full episode fight.

[HtwoN]

Originally Posted by Justice Knight

is it just me or this is like FSN all over again?

Even if you are referring to DEEN's FSN, I think you should see the differences in plots already...

[Polarpew]

interesting, when Archer gave his spiel in the beginning about how Heroic Spirits are 'cleaners' I think he messed up the definition with Counter Guardians, director of this show prolly did this on purpose to spoon feed us spoilers, not to mention the hint that the Grail was a malevolent wish granting device

I'm hoping this isnt a trend and they kill the plot altogether and just start throwing hints all over the place

Originally Posted by chaos_alfa

Spoiler for Deen anime and visual novel:

Did she not suck her "spiritual energy" rather than her blood? Just like the girl from last episode. If it would have been blood medical personal would have been able to tell.

I'm under the impression each Heroic Spirit have different ways of draining energy. Since Rider is a Gorgon her method is similar to vampires, draining life giving fluid seeing how bodily fluids contains concentrated amounts of prana. Caster abusing her magus status to use large scale rituals to drain energy from things/people/places etc... Mentions in Fate/Hollow Ataraxia that Rider is addicted to her blood in particular causing a misunderstanding that she's lez

And damn from that scene in this episode Ayako doesn't look drained from her experience due to lack of life energy rather she looks absolutely depressed/traumatized/broken from a brutal rape session

[DragonKing0117]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

Good Ending will be a bad end for Ufotable.

What do you mean it'd be a bad ending for ufotable? Personally, I like both the «Good End» and the «True End», but the Harem Lover in me prefers the «Good End».

That, and the fact this is an anime, based on an eroge, based in a country known for making harem series in their media productions. Even if ufotable DOES go «Good End» (and that certainly looks possible with what's been shown so far), with how they've portrayed UBW so far, I don't think anybody with a sane mind will honestly feel the need to complain.

[GDB]

Fun episode. They really make it hard NOT to think Ayako was raped or at least physically abused to a large degree by Shinji after Rider drained her.

[HtwoN]

Originally Posted by DragonKing0117

What do you mean it'd be a bad ending for ufotable? Personally, I like both the «Good End» and the «True End», but the Harem Lover in me prefers the «Good End».

That, and the fact this is an anime, based on an eroge, based in a country known for making harem series in their media productions. Even if ufotable DOES go «Good End» (and that certainly looks possible with what's been shown so far), with how they've portrayed UBW so far, I don't think anybody with a sane mind will honestly feel the need to complain.

The opposite...

Anyone with a sane mind would trash Good End. True End has everything meaningful in it.

One simply can't discard Archer's reminiscence and Saber's character development for a fan-pandering harem ending.

That said, the ideal ending is UBW True End + Saber scenes in Continuation of the Dream.

[BloodyKitty]

Originally Posted by Justice Knight

is it just me or this is like FSN all over again?

If you're talking about the old anime, then you must have been sleepy while watching it . Ther biggest differences as of now in the new anime is how bigger Archer's involvement in everything, not to mention other different plot points that I bet you have missed.

Poor Ayako. And ufotable just have to make it obvious that she was traumatized from a more horrible experience (like other people mention what it is already) than just energy drain (giving the revelation in HF about Shinji, it's totally plausible).

[Verrueckter]

I wouldn't mind either, but I slightly prefer Good End because in True End Saber kinda gets the shaft. What I see them doing though is hitting all the Saber flags to give her more character development, and then giving us True End.

[Rev Okkin]

So themes are starting to crop up, especially what a "magus" is. As shown in the list of people trashtalking Shirou in his competence as a magus.

Archer: A magus is cold hearted, not afraid to kill and treats others as tools when needed.
Rin: A magus is one that is on active search for those at their level. In other words, those that can pose a threat to the magus themselves.
Shinji: A magus finds ways to compensate their lack in something as well as making "insurances" should things go wrong.
Saber (to an extent): A magus is one that can concentrate regardless of situation. They are also aware of every danger including what may happen by the end of an alliance.
Caster: A magus is one with strength in their Magic Circuits and makes use of them effectively.

I noticed this when a reviewer more or less complained of the numerous iteration of info sarcastically.
Yeah, Type-Moon has this subtle high barrier entry where if one were to experience a Type-Moon story, they have to read between the lines and make connections all throughout the series then branching off to other Type-Moon series to understand stuff and engage in its (pseudo) philosophy.

[GreyZone]

Originally Posted by Rev Okkin

[...]
Caster: A magus is one with strength in their Magic Circuits and makes use of them effectively.
[...]

But Caster herself has no magic circuits (age of gods magic instead).

[Ernietheracefan]

Originally Posted by Rev Okkin

So themes are starting to crop up, especially what a "magus" is. As shown in the list of people trashtalking Shirou in his competence as a magus.

Screw this, I'll become Magus Killer..

[Rev Okkin]

Originally Posted by GreyZone

But Caster herself has no magic circuits (age of gods magic instead).

Yeah, she talks about how easy it was to get Shirou because of his "feeble Magic Circuits". That's why I drew the interpretation that the strength of Magic Circuits is one that is really important to a magus.

Originally Posted by Ernietheracefan

Screw this, I'll become Magus Killer..

But even Kiritsugu was a "magus" (to a point). And even then, to kill a beast, you have to think like a beast. So to become a "Magus Killer", you have to think or be like a "magus."

[GreyZone]

Originally Posted by Rev Okkin

Yeah, she talks about how easy it was to get Shirou because of his "feeble Magic Circuits". That's why I drew the interpretation that the strength of Magic Circuits is one that is really important to a magus.

Funny thing is, she does not even recognize Shinji as a Master (maybe she knows about the real master...)

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

Good Ending will be a bad end for Ufotable.

Aside from the typical Japanese fixation on bittersweet endings, I wouldn't know why.

Originally Posted by HtwoN

The opposite...

Anyone with a sane mind would trash Good End. True End has everything meaningful in it.

One simply can't discard Archer's reminiscence and Saber's character development for a fan-pandering harem ending.

That said, the ideal ending is UBW True End + Saber scenes in Continuation of the Dream.

Please don't project your biases onto other people. Saying that "anyone with a sane mind" has to prefer the "True End" is really quite insulting and untrue.

[Nuvi]

Archer was so badass with that arrow barrage, saving Shirou from Caster's caressing from danger.
Lol'd at him saying "A woman's fury is difficult to control." True words have been spoken.

Originally Posted by Lorhand

Spoiler:

She sucked Ayako's blood. Whether Shinji did something is up to your imagination.

Spoiler for reason why Shinji needs to die:

Pretty sure it was hinted that she got raped when she was found and Shinji talking about the "rumors" that are spreading in the classroom. It was implied that Shinji raped her after Rider sucked her.

Ayako.

[The Green One]

Originally Posted by Miraluka

Did Ayako got raped?


Archer's CockBlocking Skill must be a NP.

Spoiler for Just to be safe:

Knowing Shinji it's heavily implied that he did, but thinking about it logically raping her would leave physical evidence, and considering the condition she was in and where she was found rape would probably be one of the first things they checked so perhaps he refrained after all since it was known he was one of the last people seen with her and that would certainly implicate him and he's too much of a little coward to risk himself.

[Jerseykid]

I thought the female servant in the woods from the other episode was assassin but now it's a guy

[Craxuan]

I believe Shinji did. After all, in Heaven's Feel...