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View Poll Results: Monogatari Series Second Season - Episode 17 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 30 | 60.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 13 | 26.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 3 | 6.00% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 2 | 4.00% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 2.00% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 2.00% | |
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2013-11-17, 02:06 | Link #21 |
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damn....
tbh, even back in Bakemonogatari, when Mayoi was like "I guess I upgraded to a wandering spirit" I was like "what the..." Especially given how each arc just shows that rules are pretty strict. Also, its only been 3 months since the first Snail story incident, and Mayoi passing on? damn, busiest 3months I ever seen.
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2013-11-17, 02:44 | Link #22 |
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Just wow.
Of the feelings this show has made feel in the past, I've never expected it would actually pull off something so emotional that I would cry, but today I cried anyways the scene between Araragi and Hachikuji was just brilliantly written to their characters with top notch performance by their VAs to show the emotion for that scene. And really show just how much even Hachikuji meant to Araragi so well. So this episode definitely earns it's 10 out of 10 from me. P.S. If Hachikuji's time was a "bonus stage" then I hope Ougi is the "bonus boss" to Nadeko's "final boss" .
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2013-11-17, 02:46 | Link #23 |
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Another good ending. Different from the others--no action, but meaningful nonetheless.
Araragi kissing little girls is a little creepy. Maybe it was different in the book. Like a little peck. The sister incest themes was weird enough, but at least we got funny scenes like the toothbrushing. Still, there were some good morals to the story: Don't be something that you're not (Shinobu acting as a god). Not clearing up a misunderstanding is the same as lying Sometimes it's ok to be ok with someone dying or leaving. Be thankful for the good times, what you have learned, and the experiences you've had with people as they leave. Overall, Nisioisin had to kill of Mayoi somehow. She was a fun character, but ultimately didn't serve to promote a higher progression in the storyline, just fun chit chat. Move over for Shinobu, Hitagi, Gaen, and Ougi to drive the main story. |
2013-11-17, 03:03 | Link #26 |
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Forgot about this thread, was just torturing my heart by rewatching Mayoi's scene at least a dozen times. My body was never ready for it...
Bravo to Emiri Katou & Kamiya Hioshi for their spectacular performance in the episode. Hurts having no more Hachikuji scenes. ;__;
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2013-11-17, 07:56 | Link #28 | |
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The bit with Mayoi kissing Araragi, I guess you can throw the little kid spin on it, but practically, even though Mayoi's ghost is a little kid. She's been dead for 11 years or so before she met Araragi, so her form is a little kid, but her 'soul' is about 19-20years old.
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2013-11-17, 08:32 | Link #29 |
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T_T............................................... .................................
Hachikujiiiiiiiiiiiiiii WHYYYY I loved her appearances with Koyomi @_@....I'll miss looking forward to their next session of comedy. Thinking about it, being "lost" with Hachikuji wouldn't work, since if they go about it that way...The place Koyomi wants to be is wherever Mayoi is, that's why they couldn't go back to town, at the time he wanted to go to where Shinobu is... I think this is where Koyomi finally realizes his limits like Meme said...He can't solve all the problems of the people around him, he's been playing hero for everyone despite his circumstances....He would eventually run into something that he can't fix. |
2013-11-17, 09:03 | Link #30 |
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Okay so I've been roaming /a/ and /r/anime and I'm generally seeing the same type of reaction, full-blown denial of Snail's death and full-blown hatred of Ougi.
Some are trying to come up with scenarios where Mayoi comes back or she actually isn't gone. Well you know what, Mayoi coming back would be the WORST thing possible. You don't make an emotional scene like what we got and then ruin it with some deux ex machina. She NEEDS to stay dead. However I do think we can bring "Mayoi" back in a way. When Araragi decides to settle down with whichever girl he chooses in the end, I hope he'll have a daughter and name her Mayoi. She might even be her reincarnation. As for the hatred for Ougi, I think people are jumping to conclusions. She made it sound like she was Kurayami but are we really sure? She might be related but can we really say that she was 100% responsible? We'll have to see. |
2013-11-17, 10:02 | Link #31 |
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How the heck did Gaen even know about Shinobu's story? Is she really clairvoyant or something?
I doubt any human could claim ability of any kind similar to Kurayami. Just as there are different kinds of specialists, perhaps Ougi's area lies along the line of correcting oddities and she's perfectly fine baiting Araragi to do so.
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2013-11-17, 11:30 | Link #33 |
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Mayoi, don't goooooooooooooo!! ;_____________;
Similarly to how Mayoi's arc ended up being about Shinobu, this arc ended up being about Mayoi. I have to say I never expected Mayoi to disappear so suddenly. It was as much of a shock for me as it was for Araragi. I loved Mayoi and I've always thought she had the best chemistry with Araragi so I'm going to miss her a lot. Monogatari won't be the same without her. Goodnight, sweet princess. When did the final scene with Ougi take place? Before or after Nadeko's arc? They're already suspicious of Ougi so I'm guessing after. What the hell is the goal of that girl, or should I say that thing? I don't think an actual explanation is ever going to be given. She simply knows everything.
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2013-11-17, 11:37 | Link #34 | |
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As for the kissing thing, yes, that's a popular trope for the Japanese to squeeze in the loli format. "No, it's actually ok to kiss that 10 year old appearing girl, or ok for you to think her butt is cute while she's in the bath. She's really 500 years old so it's all good in the hood!" |
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2013-11-17, 12:41 | Link #35 |
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Couldn't she just stick around and at the end there be a 100 year time skip narration when all of his human girlfriends are dead saying something like Araragi, Shinobu, and Mayoi travel together dealing with oddities? I would've been perfectly fine with that since I care more about the characters than the actual plot when it comes to any piece of entertainment. Maybe I'm being biased here but meh, oh well.
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2013-11-17, 12:44 | Link #36 | |
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2013-11-17, 16:27 | Link #37 | |
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I have an annoyance with the thought of a revival making death cheap in fiction. If it is done right and NOT often, it is just fine. It doesn't take away from the lessons Araragi needed to learn and the pain we had losing her. We now know what he means to her, and what she means to him. So thematically, if he has a plan for Mayoi, I say we see what he can do rather than dread the possibility. Basically if she stays dead, cool. If she doesn't, I'll wait to see how that happens before calling it cheap. |
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2013-11-17, 18:21 | Link #39 | |
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So this talk takes place well after it(January) and before the showdown towards her, which means Araragi is probably already suspicious of Ougi
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