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Tempester · 2011-09-27, 15:16

I can't wait for more news on this subject. I'm personally inclined to believe, assuming the observations were accurate, that the neutrinos just moved through a wormhole. By current logic, shouldn't anything that moves faster than light and can be observed at the same time actually be moving backwards in time and have negative mass? It would be truly substantial if neutrinos actually took a complete path in spacetime at a speed higher than c.

Cue the sci-fi books and movies where spaceships and their crews take showers in neutrinos before zooming across the galaxy.

RRW · 2011-10-28, 07:36

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15471118

they will do another experiment

HasuMasu · 2011-10-28, 07:41

I've come to this time to tell you that they will succeed, ofcourse they'll publicly announce that they failed though.

I leave it to you to stop them.

El Psy Congroo.

SaintessHeart · 2011-10-28, 08:14

From the article :

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Einstein's relativity theory holds that nothing can exceed the speed of light

I don't think Einstein's theory encircles around the idea. I think what he meant is that even science has "perspective", wholly dependent on the environment variable which the occurrence exists in.

Tom Bombadil · 2011-10-28, 09:46

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_factor

If there is speed exceeding light, then you are talking the square root of a negative number, which mess up the mathematics.

Zetsubo · 2011-10-28, 09:57

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Originally Posted by Tri-ring

No I assure you Einstein was quite right in postulating in light being both particle and wave.
As for this enigma if proven true and if neutrinos are not manipulating dimensional space then it will truly redefine our understanding of matter and mass as we know it and not just the confinement of quantum mechanics since it goes against Einstein's special relativity theory postulating that any mass cannot reach light speed due to Inertia and momentum where an object's speed approaches the speed of light from an observer's point of view, its mass appears to increase thereby making it more and more difficult to accelerate it from within the observer's frame of reference and at c, mass becomes infinite there by making it impossible to go beyond the speed of light within our known spacetime.

Another possibility is that this finding may hold the key to the illusive Grand Unified Theory in which physics still have not been able to unify gravity with electromagnetism.

My mind is firmly fixed on one possiblity.

If these, what I call "gateway theories" hold true... we may have just found a start toward a way to travel through space.

Can you say EXILE or Songs of distant earth

SaintessHeart · 2011-10-28, 09:57

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Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_factor

If there is speed exceeding light, then you are talking the square root of a negative number, which mess up the mathematics.

Interestingly, anything in the imaginary zone of numbers can be used as substitutes to solve for some values. IMO, the idea of complex numbers is to be determine a range of values which a certain magnitude can exist in, so as a whole, the intermediate steps of the mathematics may look like bullshit, but the end results are more likely than not available as real answers.

RRW · 2011-11-18, 07:54

http://www.science20.com/quantum_dia...er_light-84763

it seem they now able to confirm it that it INDEED faster than light

HasuMasu · 2011-11-18, 07:57

now it begins...

felix · 2011-11-18, 08:05

Maybe this is confirmation that the neutrinos don't actually have mass?

SaintessHeart · 2011-11-18, 08:17

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Originally Posted by felix

Maybe this is confirmation that the neutrinos don't actually have mass?

Then let's rename them eezo!

Stiletto · 2011-11-18, 10:45

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Originally Posted by Detective-san

now it begins...

Can hardly contain my joy. Sincerely.

Xagzan · 2011-11-18, 10:55

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Originally Posted by RRW

http://www.science20.com/quantum_dia...er_light-84763

it seem they now able to confirm it that it INDEED faster than light

Ah, if only I could understand half of what is in that article

But still, that's awesome.

Jaden · 2011-11-18, 11:55

As far as I understand they have only ruled out a certain systematic error in the experiment. There's still room for error...

Guardian Enzo · 2011-11-19, 03:33

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Originally Posted by RRW

http://www.science20.com/quantum_dia...er_light-84763

it seem they now able to confirm it that it INDEED faster than light

El Psy Congroo.

HasuMasu · 2011-11-19, 03:37

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Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

El Psy Congroo.

All those poor bananas.

Ithekro · 2011-11-19, 03:44

I'd much rather have faster than light travel than time travel. Time travel probably more potentially destructive if the past is messed with than attempting to expand into the universe.

HasuMasu · 2011-11-19, 03:46

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

I'd much rather have faster than light travel than time travel. Time travel probably more potentially destructive if the past is messed with than attempting to expand into the universe.

I'd be strongly opposed to anyone trying to advocate time-travel, the butterfly effect is not something you want to mess with.

Jinto · 2011-11-21, 06:26

Some people claim the neutrinos do not actually travel faster than light in the experiment. Its just that they are "created" a short distance (approx. 18 meters) in front of the decaying generator proton, which would be more akin to a faster than light quantum effect in neutrino creation.
If they had the same time delta at half the measured distance, it would support this interpretation of the results.

Rahan · 2011-11-21, 20:42

Those people are Icarus, another team from CERN operating in the same lab.

An article in english about this

2011-10-28, 07:41	Link #23
HasuMasu Senior Member Artist Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The Middle Way	I've come to this time to tell you that they will succeed, ofcourse they'll publicly announce that they failed though. I leave it to you to stop them. El Psy Congroo. __________________

2011-11-18, 07:57	Link #29
HasuMasu Senior Member Artist Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The Middle Way	now it begins... __________________

2011-11-18, 08:05	Link #30
felix sleepyhead Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: event horizon	Maybe this is confirmation that the neutrinos don't actually have mass? __________________

2011-11-18, 11:55	Link #34
Jaden Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	As far as I understand they have only ruled out a certain systematic error in the experiment. There's still room for error... __________________

2011-11-19, 03:44	Link #37
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	I'd much rather have faster than light travel than time travel. Time travel probably more potentially destructive if the past is messed with than attempting to expand into the universe. __________________

2011-09-27, 15:16	Link #21
Tempester Japanese Culture Fan Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Planet Earth Age: 33	I can't wait for more news on this subject. I'm personally inclined to believe, assuming the observations were accurate, that the neutrinos just moved through a wormhole. By current logic, shouldn't anything that moves faster than light and can be observed at the same time actually be moving backwards in time and have negative mass? It would be truly substantial if neutrinos actually took a complete path in spacetime at a speed higher than c. Cue the sci-fi books and movies where spaceships and their crews take showers in neutrinos before zooming across the galaxy.

2011-10-28, 09:46	Link #25
Tom Bombadil Senior Member Join Date: May 2007	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_factor If there is speed exceeding light, then you are talking the square root of a negative number, which mess up the mathematics.

2011-11-21, 06:26	Link #39
Jinto Asuki-tan Kairin ↓ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Fürth (GER) Age: 43	Some people claim the neutrinos do not actually travel faster than light in the experiment. Its just that they are "created" a short distance (approx. 18 meters) in front of the decaying generator proton, which would be more akin to a faster than light quantum effect in neutrino creation. If they had the same time delta at half the measured distance, it would support this interpretation of the results. __________________ Folding@Home, Team Animesuki

2011-11-21, 20:42	Link #40
Rahan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: France	Those people are Icarus, another team from CERN operating in the same lab. An article in english about this