2014-06-05, 01:23 | Link #21 |
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guy's i don't want to crush your delusions to hard but LU a talanted mage ??? this guy is the same as leo ... we never saw him use anything other then steel quigong and a barrier magic. you all seem to overrestimate the thing with the one of the best 10 cqc magic material artists don't you ? yes lu is strong in cqc against other cqc/middle range personal but he never used any offensive magic illusion magic or what ever... the only problem somebody fighting him would have is to break his barriers and doge his fists and legs (lu is fast so that might be hard ) but you don't need mutch talent for 2 spells and he dosn't even use them in a creative manner all his battles where more or less like my barriers will hold up i just need to smash them down muhaha.... (well exaggerated but you get the gist of it don't you ?) no real planning just plain head first through the wall ... as long as his barriers hold up he got no problems but once they fail he is done for .
its not like i hate lu or anything but this guy is if you just masure the magic he has used not mutch of a talented mage . |
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The only reason Lu wasn't immediately defeated or harmed by Mayumi, was because his armour blocked all attacks he couldn't dodge. Due to this she had to reduce the number of her attacks to increase the penetrating power. But he dodged all those as well. Quote:
Neither Lu nor Mayumi are more powerful in raw magic than Lina or Miyuki, But Lina and Miyuki would also lose to Lu in close combat and both would lose Mayumi in sniping. But raw magic power like Lina's and Miyuki's can overturn magic CQC and magic sniping by pure reality-bending speed. Mayumi's raw magic power was great enough to overturn her odds against Lu. Since she couldn't beat him using direct attacks, she used raw magic power to turn her solid attacks into gas, faster than he could react and attacked him from inside his body. Quote:
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I mentioned I understood the author could have added more battle damage. They all still easily got knocked unconscious, so I feel it would have made no difference to the debate about Lu's ability, but it might have made a more impressive scene. Quote:
You keep on repeating that Lu is one of the world's top specialists, but seem to conveniently ignore that this is when it comes to close combat matches, and the fact that except for Naotsugu, he beat every other student he met in close combat easily. Where is there a problem? Quote:
Lu is a person known worldwide for beating the best magicians in close combat. Martial Arts. It is different to being called one of wold's strongest magicians like Maya, who can kill at close, mid or long range easily. And it is different to strategic magicians who would be committing suicide if they used their most powerful spells at close range(except Lina), but can obliterate things at long range easily. There was only 1 student that matched him in his world renowned specialty close combat. That was Naotsugu. The one who defeated him in the end was Mayumi, stated to be one of the world's top magic snipers. Someone he had no way to see or reach. My original question to Ultraviolet X, but to you again now was, on what basis do you feel that the world's top close combat magician, a person who is the best at defeating people in close combat, must be able to deal with a long range magic attack from someone they cannot find? Since there is nothing in the novel indicating that was a given, e.g. Tatsuya got sniped by a regular sniper and had to take cover before counter attacking with ES and long range magic. And since even in reality, a close combat expert would also be taken out by a sniper unless they dodged, had armour or took cover. All of which Lu was able to do except taking cover, which is useless against someone who can shoot you from any angle. |
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2014-06-05, 05:21 | Link #23 |
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Whether we can find reasons for it or not: it remains a fact that his losing thoroughly twice in a row is extremely anticlimactic after all that he was built up to be. Maybe it would work better if the scenes were better written, imparting a bigger sense of tension, danger, despair even, so that we can feel an epic struggle, but as it is... yep, anticlimactic.
Come to think of it, it was probably after this fight that I stopped expecting any kind of tension from Mahouka. |
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2014-06-06, 14:14 | Link #25 | |
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But he did deal with all of her physical attacks, the most she could do with them is set him a bit of course, it is only when a gas attack is used that she wins, so she didn't beat him by overpowering his armour, all of her normal hits hit him without doing much damage just like you argue they should have been doing. Her attack that beat him didn't do it because of destructive ability, and succeeded precisely because it was an attack that didn't require force to win. Also it was those physical shots by Mayumi that made his attacks a bit off course that made it so that some of his attacks didn't outright kill people, but that is about all her physical attacks did. I think you are over-estimating "top 10 CQC" and underestimating "top 10 long range percision shooting". Why on Earth should a person who is in a top 10 in close quarters fighting be superior in battle then one of the top 10 snipers when it comes to combat where they are at a distance from one another? Surely your arguments could be made in reverse here- why wouldn't one of the top 10 snipers have come up with ways to get around the defences of equal powerful soldiers from a distance? That puts them in the same level, just adept at different things and different situations. Naotsugu wasn't the only one at Lu's level, Mayumi was, just not in close quarters, which she wasn't in when the battle started. On the subject of dodging her attacks, her shots move at supersonic speed and can come from enough angles that it is quite impossible to dodge, since if you dodge in one, 10 or more could be coming at you from varying directions at supersonic speeds. As much as you say you know those levels are different then Tatsuya and Maya, I really don't think you do. He dealt with this multiple-on-one situation with a near equal (Mayumi, whether you admit it or not) on the opposing side quite well but was unprepared for a disguised gas attack by Mayumi. If it wasn't hidden as a physical attack he might have been prepared but he was caught off guard. He is not Tatsuya who can be expected to be prepared for almost any attack and defence. He is not Maya whose attack happens at light speed and is unavoidable. It would be utterly silly for him to be expected to even with his top 10 in close quarters combat, because he is not in the top 10 in all distant combat like Tatsuya and Maya are. He was prepared for basically all physical attacks, be they magical or not, and could strike down anyone who got close to him, which rightly ranks him as a top 10 in CQC, but it is silly to imagine him being able to ignore gas attacks when he is not wearing gas proof armour, or armour with a Filtration system. Why isn't he wearing one? One because even in war situations, soldiers don't wear them. They might have a gas mask, but Mayumi's disguised shot didn't given him time to get one on even if he had brought one with him. The second reason is because he was wearing an armour designed for enhancing his fighting style, which is in most cases a worthwhile trade-off, and the armour was designed from before such gas attacks were viable or popular in open areas. Third is because, even if Mari used gas attacks on him before and he should be "prepared" for them, he was told by Chen to not go out for revenge and didn't expect to run into them in a war situation like that, and the chances that he would in reality is extremely small. Also Mari was shown to abuse situations where people had dressed to deal with gases in volume 2, so even if he did, he would have been even more sunk, by Mari this time instead of Mayumi. That he can ignore gunfire, high impact weapons, and most physical magic is more than enough defence for anyone in this novel regardless of his position as a person ranked in the top 10 of CQC. The only people with higher defensive capabilities is Katsuto, which is reasonable considering that Phalanx is basically the ultimate in defensive magic, and Tatsuya, whose anti-magic, ability to decompose anything in his way, and healing factor are ALL possessing the #1 spot in the world and so lead to frightening defensive capabilities. Saying that he should somehow have avoided Mayumi's attack when it looked like a physical attack instead of a gaseous one is all together a little to much. Without relying on strategic magic, Lina probably would have been defeated much earlier than he was in this situation and she is the number one soldier in the USNA. You evaluation of top 10 close quarters combat sounds like someone only Tatsuya or Maya, or lina with HMB could defeat, which would lead to even more anti-climatic fights because when Tatsuya, Maya, or Lina use their full abilities to kill, the battle is over in an instance. |
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2014-06-06, 15:35 | Link #27 |
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He did have a countermeasure. He has to use it ahead of time, before it gets to him. He got trolled because he didn't know Dry Meteor was a gas attack and thought he was safe from gas attacks after knocking Mari away, since Mayumi hadn't done anything except pound him with various Hale Particles, so he got suckered into blocking it instead.
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2014-06-06, 18:05 | Link #29 |
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Not to mention, most magicians don't even practice in defense a lot. In a magic battle, Offense is WAY better than defense. This is stressed many times in the novel. Lu Gonghu is really fast and perceptive, but i don't think he can compete with multiscope, an esp power.
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2014-06-07, 05:22 | Link #32 |
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Its so funny why you guys compare Mayumi and Lu while there specialty lies in different fields....only reason why Mayumi defeated Lu is because the other 3 bought time for Mayumi to run her ass; and hide to snipe him. Done!discussion ends; close the thread pls. Takes space for a guy that we wont ever meet again.
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2014-06-07, 12:38 | Link #33 |
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is'nt the 3 defeats of lu was with multiple enemies in with at least one world ranked magician???
And also none of those fights that lu was overwhelmed in CQC .. as I read he was the one who overwhelmed his enemies in CQC except for naotsugu who is also world ranked in CQC |
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Iam sure a big guy like him can handle the threesome or foursome or lets make it fivesome>?
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Personally, I found Mari to be more impressive. I found Lu to be a disappointment, for the reasons you have mentioned. The fights even lacked the tension, that you get the sense that the people fighting Lu were in real danger. I'm looking forward to seeing Lu's fights animated, to see whether this impression I got from Lu (that the character doesn't fit his description) comes down to how lu's fights were written. |
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