F/SN UBW TV - Episode 10 Spoiler Discussion / Poll

[Iron Maw]

Doesn't look Kuzuki is subservant to Caster at all, rather from the way she talks and addresses him there seems to be very strong mutual affection in their relationship. That whole fiance thing may not be entirely a cover up afterall.

Originally Posted by J the Drafter

I got to say it's weird how Shirou is able to drive back an enemy that overpowered Saber.

Eh, that really isn't as weird to me as Kuzuki's inconsistent power. If he could hit Saber so hard she would be unconscious for minutes, Shirou and Rin should be fine dust after one blow. My guess is that Kuzuki actually held back somehow which implies he didn't really mean what he said prior to the fight either.

[GreyZone]

Saber wasn't unconsious for minutes, it was mere 10-20 seconds, else Caster would have reached Saber before she awakened.

[Iron Maw]

Perhaps your right about the seconds, but that is plenty of time to get finish off in a high paced fight. The only reason Saber was able to react faster was because Caster was distracted for moment. Atleast this what the anime implies.

[Death Usagi]

Originally Posted by Miraluka

Ahahahahahaha Oh god.

Never thought it was that effect! XD

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by the one above all

Kuzuki beat down a servant like Saber thanks to the power of love(and magic)

Love is magic afterall.

[HandofFate]

Good episode.
Gotta love Saber always getting schooled by every single of her opponents.
This is where I remember DEEN Fate started getting all over the place.

Really like's Shirou's trace scene with the swords. Rewatched it many times.

I don't think its that crazy that Shirou drove Kuzuki back since he got him by total surprise, and if things continued, I don't think Shirou would have been in shape to deflect another series of attacks.

[Raviel]

Originally Posted by Miraluka

Things get even funnier when you remember that Rulebreaker was a keychain on Caster's wallet in Carnival Phantasm

Quick question though, since I've only ever read about events in the VN and only have experience with the animated versions of F/SN and F/Z.

How is Shirou instantly able to use Kanshou and Bakuya like he's been using them all his life?

[RandChua]

Shirou only managed to project it once I think. Looking thru the scenes, it is obvious if saber didn't recover in time by then kuzuki and caster would have destroyed all of them by then I feel. So what he did for projection is still unstable and what he managed was just buy time

[RandChua]

Originally Posted by Raviel

Things get even funnier when you remember that Rulebreaker was a keychain on Caster's wallet in Carnival Phantasm

Quick question though, since I've only ever read about events in the VN and only have experience with the animated versions of F/SN and F/Z.

How is Shirou instantly able to use Kanshou and Bakuya like he's been using them all his life?

I think probably shirou gained that thru the dreams he started having from archer? As shown in the previous few episodes and this one, he had started to adopt more of archer's battle stance and weapons and projection really depends greatly on a person's image or imaging of the object I think?

[HandofFate]

I think he means that once he projected it, how he's able to actually wield them like a pro.
Well, he has been sparring with Saber alot, and there was a scene where he tried to mimic Archer to Saber's chagrin.

Also, I heard people say he not only projects the weapons, he projects the weapon's 'memories' as well or something, so the knowledge of being used comes with it. This part I might be a bit off on.

[HandofFate]

Originally Posted by RandChua

I think probably shirou gained that thru the dreams he started having from archer? As shown in the previous few episodes and this one, he had started to adopt more of archer's battle stance and weapons

The ones having the dreams are Rin since Archer is her servant.
Like how Shirou dreams of Saber's past in Fate.

[RandChua]

Ya you are correct. What I meant was he was shown to seemed to have a mysterious connection in the anime with archer haha

[Polarpew]

Originally Posted by goblehook

Kuzuki's buff with Caster and Shirou's a Magic User of projection. I'd say that so called Sasaki Koujirou (Assassin) is the only one who fights normally using a normal weapon and makes up for it with pure skill alone

eh not really, Assassin is a Heroic Spirit so by default its not 'normal' Kuzuki is really the one who's amazing here with his Snake fist that's unpredictable enough to seriously mess even Saber up if it was one-on-one to the death. (who did you think killed Rider so easily?) Bare fists bro, thats skill right there

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

Doesn't look Kuzuki is subservant to Caster at all, rather from the way she talks and addresses him there seems to be very strong mutual affection in their relationship. That whole fiance thing may not be entirely a cover up afterall.



Eh, that really isn't as weird to me as Kuzuki's inconsistent power. If he could hit Saber so hard she would be unconscious for minutes, Shirou and Rin should be fine dust after one blow. My guess is that Kuzuki actually held back somehow which implies he didn't really mean what he said prior to the fight either.

the fact that they are still alive despite him being a trained assassin says alot about how much he's not taking this seriously. After all he left that life behind because he didnt see the point in endlessly killing people cuz he was ordered to. He's just taking care of Caster since he found her dying. Heh looks like he's the only Master actually in this War for legit reasons (taking care of Caster as long as she wants to stay at the temple, everyone else is wishy washy about the whole war thing, Rin fighting just to be a winner, Shirou who has no effin idea what's he in for, Shinji doing it to feel good, Ilya to murder Shirou, Kotomine who wants the world to end for laughs). See where i'm going with this?

Originally Posted by RandChua

I think probably shirou gained that thru the dreams he started having from archer? As shown in the previous few episodes and this one, he had started to adopt more of archer's battle stance and weapons and projection really depends greatly on a person's image or imaging of the object I think?

Two identical souls existing in the same time period = soul resonance aka bleeding effect

[GreyZone]

Originally Posted by Polarpew

eh not really, Assassin is a Heroic Spirit so by default its not 'normal' Kuzuki is really the one who's amazing here with his Snake fist that's unpredictable enough to seriously mess even Saber up if it was one-on-one to the death. (who did you think killed Rider so easily?) Bare fists bro, thats skill right there



the fact that they are still alive despite him being a trained assassin says alot about how much he's not taking this seriously. After all he left that life behind because he didnt see the point in endlessly killing people cuz he was ordered to. He's just taking care of Caster since he found her dying. Heh looks like he's the only Master actually in this War for legit reasons (taking care of Caster as long as she wants to stay at the temple, everyone else is wishy washy about the whole war thing, Rin fighting just to be a winner, Shirou who has no effin idea what's he in for, Shinji doing it to feel good, Ilya to murder Shirou, Kotomine who wants the world to end for laughs). See where i'm going with this?

Kuzuki's fists are magically enhanced by Caster, so he is stronger than before he met Caster. Both Rin and Shirou are strenghtening their bodies.

If you pay attention, you can even see Rin actually BLOCKING Kuzuki's attack. Also Shirou has 2 healing factors which makes him able to continue the fight even though he was hit by Kuzuki. And I would not say Kuzuki was holding back. If Shirou tried to defend Saber instead of Rin, this would happen:

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Also Shirou has a clear goal in the war: "Making Sure the winner is not someone with bad intentions".

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by HandofFate

Also, I heard people say he not only projects the weapons, he projects the weapon's 'memories' as well or something, so the knowledge of being used comes with it. This part I might be a bit off on.

That is the way I understood it from how the wiki explained it. He gains some of the expertise of the wielders of the weapons he projects, while he's using them.

[Ernietheracefan]

Originally Posted by Polarpew

Two identical souls existing in the same time period = soul resonance aka bleeding effect

By doing the real thing and no side effect..

[TwilightsCall]

It's kind of been said already, but for the sake of completeness:

When Shirou (or anyone for that matter) traces a weapon, it's not just the physical weapon he is recreating. He's also recreating all of the weapon's past experiences. This leads to him being able to use them a little better than your average other person who might pick up two swords.

That being said, Shirou has been training with Saber, and has been watching Servant's fight, so it's not like he was starting from zero. He has a bit of a basis there to base his fighting on, even if he's never used those weapons before.

[erneiz_hyde]

Originally Posted by TwilightsCall

When Shirou (or anyone for that matter) traces a weapon, it's not just the physical weapon he is recreating. He's also recreating all of the weapon's past experiences. This leads to him being able to use them a little better than your average other person who might pick up two swords.

I thought this is Shirou's unique ability due to his latent UBW? (the tracing past experiences part I mean)

[Jaden]

Yeah, it's a unique ability. There's no way for a normal magus to grasp a concept like a "weapon's experience", and as Rin (and Kiritsugu) explain in the VN, projecting functional copies of any item is pretty much unheard of. The magic is only ever used for illusions and ritual props.

[Kanon]

This adaptation keeps getting better and better, which is quite a feat given that it was almost perfect from the get-go. The fights in this episode were just incredible. Kuzuki is truly a beast.

Archer's flashback was weird. It looked like it took place in a distant past (what with people using polearms and swords), but all we know he's from the future. What was that?