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xeviouses · 2016-04-24, 11:33

Wow, it seems Hayate has forgotten his moves...eh, Freyja was there and the wrong dodge could send a bullet her way, so I'll give him that.

The Draken looks awesome in battroid, like a slimmed down VF-171.

kuromitsu · 2016-04-24, 11:46

No way, Freyja will only live for 30 years? And all those pretty boys, too?

How unfair. Poor little shota. Maybe with this war they're actually looking for a way to extend their lifespan...

Great episode again, even though Hayate's happy Immelmann Dance got interrupted again...

And he still needs to learn a lot (re: "Don't f*ck with me!" *gets pwned by enemy*

) But Mikumo and Freyja's duet was badass, the Knights' "Drakens" were pretty cool. And aww poor Freyja, her home country declares war on the NUN on the day of her debut. I wonder if she'll feel that she has to lay low for a while... that would be awkward.

Also, pssh, so Messer is going to have a manly rivalry with Keith and not Hayate? Oh well.

And I wonder what's going on with Mikumo...

Kazu-kun · 2016-04-24, 11:49

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Originally Posted by kuromitsu

Also, pssh, so Messer is going to have a manly rivalry with Keith and not Hayate? Oh well.

It was hinted in the OP so it isn't that surprising.

kuromitsu · 2016-04-24, 11:58

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

It was hinted in the OP so it isn't that surprising.

I kept hoping against hope.

Tenzen12 · 2016-04-24, 12:00

Having such short lifespan, it make sense aim high, for both Arial knights and Freya (it does give new spin on her aspirations). I just hope Delta will not try play on sympathy note.

Harry Dresden · 2016-04-24, 12:25

Well this episode was certainly full of secrets and mysteries.

It really makes me VERY interested in Windermere and their reasons to do this. Surely they understand that this can't end well for them, right? Declaring war against protoculture races is like declaring war against Imperium of Man in WH40k. They either have a very strong motive or some sort of trump card.

Also is it just me or is Messer somehow connected to them? Either I missed something or he seemed to be the only one affected by the windermere song in the group.

Also interested in how Windermere methods are very reminiscent of protodevilin. Add in Mikumo being a whole lot more mysterious than expected to the mix and I am all in for this series. AT first I was worried for the idol theme and the possible tone it might dictate but this is great so far!

LoweGear · 2016-04-24, 12:25

Dat Draken transformation

Openly declaring war on NUNS though? I'm thinking they are banking a bit too much on the effectiveness of the Var Syndrome, though they certainly have enough cause to believe that.

That montage showing all the previous greatest Macross singers though, that was entirely awesome fanservice wasn't it?

Kazu-kun · 2016-04-24, 12:31

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Originally Posted by Harry Dresden

Mikumo being a whole lot more mysterious than expected.

Rather, she is as mysterious as expected. Information about her was hiding from even before the show's premier. It was a given she's a walking mystery.

Harry Dresden · 2016-04-24, 12:36

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Rather, she is as mysterious as expected. Information about her was hiding from even before the show's premier. It was a given she's a walking mystery.

Well yea, but out of all the possible mysteries I would have never expected her to literally talk to the sky while naked.

Tenzen12 · 2016-04-24, 12:38

Yeah even Basara was at least clothed, when doing weird things

azarhal · 2016-04-24, 12:41

I think it's clear after this episode that all of Mikumo's clothes are just holograms.

ReddyRedWolf · 2016-04-24, 12:51

My theory.

Spoiler:

Tak · 2016-04-24, 13:07

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Originally Posted by LoweGear

Dat Draken transformation

Openly declaring war on NUNS though? I'm thinking they are banking a bit too much on the effectiveness of the Var Syndrome, though they certainly have enough cause to believe that.

Or they are not counting on the NUNS deploying planetary annihilation weapons. Because you know, humanity and all that.

- Tak

charles883 · 2016-04-24, 13:18

I don't think Wind Kingdom would foolish enough to declare war on NUNS not knowing how powerful NUNS as they were former member of NUNS, so obviously they know how powerful NUNS.

Tak · 2016-04-24, 13:25

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Originally Posted by charles883

I don't think Wind Kingdom would foolish enough to declare war on NUNS not knowing how powerful NUNS as they were former member of NUNS, so obviously they know how powerful NUNS.

Considering the NUNS is very capable of putting up a nice front, I doubt the Windies know to what extent the NUNS is capable of. I wonder if they ever been to the Solar System...

- Tak

charles883 · 2016-04-24, 13:37

On contray, I think they know, as they already know about Walkure capability and already create counter measure against walkure song

ReddyRedWolf · 2016-04-24, 13:38

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Originally Posted by charles883

I don't think Wind Kingdom would foolish enough to declare war on NUNS not knowing how powerful NUNS as they were former member of NUNS, so obviously they know how powerful NUNS.

They are an immature race that believe they are the chosen ones not the Humans.

Funny as that is what the Marduk believed which is why they killed every culture they encountered.

Spoiler:

charles883 · 2016-04-24, 13:44

Well we shall see how well Wind kingdom able to fight NUNS as I do not think Wind Kingdom easily get curb stomp by NUNS in just few episode.

I think NUNS overconfident led to many early defeat against Wind Kingdom.

Tak · 2016-04-24, 13:45

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Originally Posted by Hypernova

disclaimer: I didn't make this one

Spoiler for One of them is not like the others...:

The presence of jiggling physics is insignificant to the allure of Mirage's ears!

- Tak

Dash_Hunter · 2016-04-24, 14:03

So I didn't understand much of the episode but the parts I understood really hyped me.

So Windemere declares war on the NUNS, I really think they are overestimating their chances if the NUN takes this seriously, to my knowledge Windemere is just one planet, NUNS has thousands of ships and even with Heinz and the Var Syndrome the NUNS could contact Fire Bomber (although Basara would most likely refuse), Sheryl and Ranka also produce fold waves and the Walkure would be enough.

So yeah, Windemere would most certainly lose, but I doubt they would do this without having something up their sleeve that we don't know of yet, this is going to get really interesting.

Ah and almost forgot, Messer had a reaction to Heinz's song too, so maybe after all he can also "feel the wind"

or maybe it's foreshadowing that he will get the Var

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2016-04-24, 12:00	Link #25
Tenzen12 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	Having such short lifespan, it make sense aim high, for both Arial knights and Freya (it does give new spin on her aspirations). I just hope Delta will not try play on sympathy note. __________________ "I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it" (Charles R. Swindoll)

2016-04-24, 12:25	Link #27
LoweGear Secret Society BLANKET Graphic Designer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 3 times the passion of normal flamenco	Dat Draken transformation Openly declaring war on NUNS though? I'm thinking they are banking a bit too much on the effectiveness of the Var Syndrome, though they certainly have enough cause to believe that. That montage showing all the previous greatest Macross singers though, that was entirely awesome fanservice wasn't it? __________________ Against all the evil that hell can conjure, all wickedness that mankind can produce... We will send unto them, only you.

2016-04-24, 12:38	Link #30
Tenzen12 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	Yeah even Basara was at least clothed, when doing weird things __________________ "I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it" (Charles R. Swindoll)

2016-04-24, 12:51	Link #32
ReddyRedWolf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	My theory. Spoiler: The motivation to take over the Protoculture legacy is out of pride and an imagined slight by humanity. Windermere is a culture that believes it would inherit the stars yet these Humans come already having an interstellar civilization just because they got lucky or unlucky with a Supervision Army gunship. Taming the Zentradi and uniting the Children of the Protoculture under their banner. To compound it a bunch of transhumanist cyborgs tried to take over the galaxy with the Vajra threatening every NUN world simultaneously. Their grudge as Bogue puts it is that Earthers are better than them in everything. Earth had the Bird Human guarding them and was spared. Earthers did what the Protoculture could not tame the Protodevlin. The ruins of Rax gave its secrets as Humans chose to mix their blood with fellow Children of the Protoculture.

2016-04-24, 11:33	Link #21
xeviouses Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Ophir	Wow, it seems Hayate has forgotten his moves...eh, Freyja was there and the wrong dodge could send a bullet her way, so I'll give him that. The Draken looks awesome in battroid, like a slimmed down VF-171.

2016-04-24, 11:46	Link #22
kuromitsu Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004	No way, Freyja will only live for 30 years? And all those pretty boys, too? How unfair. Poor little shota. Maybe with this war they're actually looking for a way to extend their lifespan... Great episode again, even though Hayate's happy Immelmann Dance got interrupted again... And he still needs to learn a lot (re: "Don't fck with me!" gets pwned by enemy* ) But Mikumo and Freyja's duet was badass, the Knights' "Drakens" were pretty cool. And aww poor Freyja, her home country declares war on the NUN on the day of her debut. I wonder if she'll feel that she has to lay low for a while... that would be awkward. Also, pssh, so Messer is going to have a manly rivalry with Keith and not Hayate? Oh well. And I wonder what's going on with Mikumo...

2016-04-24, 12:25	Link #26
Harry Dresden Paranoid Zebra Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Demonreach	Well this episode was certainly full of secrets and mysteries. It really makes me VERY interested in Windermere and their reasons to do this. Surely they understand that this can't end well for them, right? Declaring war against protoculture races is like declaring war against Imperium of Man in WH40k. They either have a very strong motive or some sort of trump card. Also is it just me or is Messer somehow connected to them? Either I missed something or he seemed to be the only one affected by the windermere song in the group. Also interested in how Windermere methods are very reminiscent of protodevilin. Add in Mikumo being a whole lot more mysterious than expected to the mix and I am all in for this series. AT first I was worried for the idol theme and the possible tone it might dictate but this is great so far!

2016-04-24, 12:41	Link #31
azarhal Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	I think it's clear after this episode that all of Mikumo's clothes are just holograms.

2016-04-24, 13:18	Link #34
charles883 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2015	I don't think Wind Kingdom would foolish enough to declare war on NUNS not knowing how powerful NUNS as they were former member of NUNS, so obviously they know how powerful NUNS.

2016-04-24, 13:37	Link #36
charles883 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2015	On contray, I think they know, as they already know about Walkure capability and already create counter measure against walkure song

2016-04-24, 13:44	Link #38
charles883 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2015	Well we shall see how well Wind kingdom able to fight NUNS as I do not think Wind Kingdom easily get curb stomp by NUNS in just few episode. I think NUNS overconfident led to many early defeat against Wind Kingdom.

2016-04-24, 14:03	Link #40
Dash_Hunter Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008	So I didn't understand much of the episode but the parts I understood really hyped me. So Windemere declares war on the NUNS, I really think they are overestimating their chances if the NUN takes this seriously, to my knowledge Windemere is just one planet, NUNS has thousands of ships and even with Heinz and the Var Syndrome the NUNS could contact Fire Bomber (although Basara would most likely refuse), Sheryl and Ranka also produce fold waves and the Walkure would be enough. So yeah, Windemere would most certainly lose, but I doubt they would do this without having something up their sleeve that we don't know of yet, this is going to get really interesting. Ah and almost forgot, Messer had a reaction to Heinz's song too, so maybe after all he can also "feel the wind" or maybe it's foreshadowing that he will get the Var __________________