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Actually I would hazard a guess that this seasons slim pickings are due to underperformance from some of their A grade titles like Durarara (Aniplex didn't give them Night Raid this season after all). However circumstantial evidence suggest the Marvelous Entertainment and Kodansha titles are doing well (Which includes stuff like 11eyes and Omari Himari). Anyway Quarkboy has said that Crunchyroll tries to get nearly anything it can. Although the situation may have changed since then. @bisocce You should stop making more threads about streaming and Crunchyroll etc. It would be much more convenient if everything was in one thread and the thread title was more generic.
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Though then again, I don't know if there are any fans with low Japanese ability who'll buy the Japanese DVDs just because they feel guilty keeping the subs? (Almost everyone I've seen mention buying R2 dvds - as opposed to American ones - does so partially because they can understand a decent amount of what's said...)
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2010-05-11, 09:38 | Link #23 | |
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2010-05-11, 10:04 | Link #24 | |
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If this trend gets any bigger, I really think the best thing for the Japanese industry might be to let fans translate and thus advertise their shows (and especially, all the extras) for them. Though this obviously wouldn't be of much help for the Western industry...
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2010-05-11, 10:10 | Link #25 | |
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I've spent the last few years buying a LOT of R1 DVDs (about 30 linear feet of DVD shelving) trying to match my purchases 1:1 for series that I like, but lately I'm starting to think I may just take that money flow and simply buy a few R2 DVD collections each year. I don't use the english dub track and many of the sub-only purchases have had really substandard packaging lately. I tend to be interested in franchises with "low volume interest" with some exceptions.
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2010-05-11, 11:41 | Link #26 | |
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...lemme get back to that after I changed the transistortubes in my 2009 guitaramp
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2010-05-11, 19:12 | Link #27 |
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One thing to point out is that R2 releases are a lot more expensive. From what I heard they only get 2 episodes per DVD and the prices per DVD are a lot more than what we pay for 3-4 episodes per DVD. I could be wrong, but I remember reading a ton of ANN articles and other articles about R2 releases being released in this manner.
Personally, I'd never buy R2 releases. I have to know the language before I even consider buying a product. I'd love to learn Japanese, but I just don't see that happening. I love the original artwork, and I'd love to support the authors more directly. I just can't justify spending money on something I can't understand. Saying that, I guess I'm a bit of a hyprocrite. I've bought the Chaos;Head visual novel. I have to rely on fan translations, so in a sense I admit R2 releases may work in the same manner. Dubs get a bad rep online, and I personally don't care for them much. However, I think the dub fanbase offline is pretty big. I'd wager a majority of collectors offline only care about dubs. I can't prove that though, so this is all my opinion. I don't know any numbers, so I'm not sure how big of an impact that would have if the US industry would fail. Most dub watchers won't buy R2 releases, so that'll be money lost. How much money? No idea. |
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I never like statistics.. how many of those views come from one person?
also TV broadcast will never be dead.. it isn't like there is only anime to air on TV.. secondly I am certain CR will die sooner or at least will change their policy even further in a way that isn't in our benefit (your benefit actually I don't go to that site at all).. somewhere along the line something will mess this up that always happens, first it is fun and sweet and then all of a sudden lawsuit Last edited by -KarumA-; 2010-05-12 at 07:21. |
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2010-05-12, 04:02 | Link #31 |
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My concern was based also in Viz's licensing of Shakugan no Shana Light Novels. Their translation screeched to a halt in the second volume (of twenty-one, currently) and there have been no word of them continuing. Yet they still took down Baka-tsuki's translation project of the Light Novels with a C&D even though Viz themselves has not proved that they are worthy to do such an action.
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Btw, I was quoting from this thread on Mania Forums about "Japan's view of region coding and reverse importation fears." It's old, but contains several issues and discussions relating to our topic.
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And another issue...one bad thing about NOT licensing anime to the West however, is that such an approach would ensure that Japanese consumers have access to the HD DVD rips that encoders upload, which potentially reduces the numbers of DVDs sold. Whilst I do believe that there is more goodwill to the production companies here than in the West (because they won't be around to produce the anime we want if we don't support them!), there are still more companies than the soon-to-be dwindling Japanese population can probably sustain, especially if the younger generations are getting onto this 'free DVDs!' mentality too early.
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2010-05-12, 12:35 | Link #35 | |
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I've become fairly skittish at committing to manga or anime expenditures because of this flakiness (and its because they don't line out the entire series budget-wise, they don't appear to manage their business "past the quarterly report").
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2010-05-12, 19:07 | Link #36 | |
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If it came down to it, I'd still buy anime if the prices were to rise. So long as it's in a language I can understand, I'm willing to buy it so long as it's priced reasonably. I'd be hoping that higher prices means higher quality. I don't mind paying for quality and that's why I enjoy Crunchyroll far more than FUNimation. Both are doing great, but Crunchyroll offers 720p videos were FUNimation does not. I hope FUNimation can change to 720p videos as well, as I don't mind paying a monthly/yearly fee. |
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I don't know about DVDs but there were a few articles that make it out to be that Amazon buys at a lower wholesale price on eroge. Amazon's pre-order discount "You Pay" price was less than the wholesale price the smaller shops would have to pay and thus they were considering getting their stock off Amazon.
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2010-05-13, 04:18 | Link #39 |
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Any links or examples?
I've been trying to look around at how DVDs are actually distributed here, but am finding it difficult to find information for anything other than publishing (books) (where there IS a fixed price for all items, and a returns system, which is why books are almost NEVER discounted). From what I can gather from this and another article I can't find atm, DVDs reach the end-user like this: anime production company => distributor (wholesaler) => retailer => end-user There is another entity - the company that actually produces the merchandise (i.e. DVDs) - unlike publishers, who probably have in-house departments or closely associated companies for printing, anime producers probably have to go through another party because they don't have the resources to package and produce their own works. - but I'm not sure if they're part of the distributing companies or not. Looking at prices on amazon and at a few articles/studies, it seems like retailers negotiate with the distributors to buy a certain number of copies to sell. In this case, then large stores like Amazon have an advantage over the smaller stores. However, the link between the distributors and the animation production companies is less clear. The question would be: is it based on number of copies moved? Or is it a percentage of the negotiated price with the retailer? Or even a percentage of the final sale price (which would make it an absolute headache for the accountants!)? ===== In any case, amazon is the most convenient for me, because of where I live and because I'm not too inclined towards the extras that the 'smaller' retailers offer to entice buyers.
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