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Perfect 10 | 3 | 6.38% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 8 | 17.02% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 10 | 21.28% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 11 | 23.40% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 9 | 19.15% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 6.38% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 4.26% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 2.13% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-12-27, 11:04 | Link #21 |
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We know for a fact that even normal warriors can "see" Anastasia's hairs if they know what to look for,so i don't see why it's so surprising for them to utilize her hairs.
Histy probably didn't notice since she wasn't expecting a technique like that or maybe she noticed but she simply doesn't care,infact she doesn't seem to have any trouble dealing with warriors midair even if they use that "trick". About Histy not attacking Miria is also not that surprising since i bet she doesn't want to kill her like the others,she probably see Miria as a "special" prey and want to fully enjoy her death,that's why imo it makes sense for her to take care of the annoying warriors and keep the "dessert" at the end. And who cares if someone heals Miria?Why should Histy interfere?I doubt Histy thinks that she could be defeated anyway,on the contrary she probably would be happy to fight again against an healed Miria,so she'll have the chance to show her superiority and get her revenge. |
2011-12-27, 13:29 | Link #22 |
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There are more things but I'll wait until I finally get a response other than "it's a matter of opinion". Last edited by Gooral; 2011-12-27 at 16:25. Reason: scratching "Jean is a defensive warrior" | "going over the limit"-> "awakening |
2011-12-27, 13:45 | Link #23 | |
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i'm not letting myself get dragged in a quotewar, but
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edit: gooral i understand that you are one of the people who thinks the only character allowed to get stronger is clare and every other character getting stronger is beyond impossible (and absolutely ridiculous in the case of mira). but serously, you want to tell me that you think jean back then is stronger then any of the ghosts? really? you think she could beat helen, who has her technique now (which is "the most powerful attack any Claymore had") and got rid of the long preparation time (as seen vs isley and hysteria) and can use it as a long rage attack, in a fight? helen survived against isley and although she was about to lose i don't see jean doing as well as she did. deneve is even stronger than helen and got wicked selfheal skills. both of them are not just half awakeneds like jean but trained for 7 years now and although jean was stronger than both of them, it wasn't a giantic leap (not like irene to priscilla). they treat most abs like cassandra treats her food* now. in all honesty i don't see jean doing the same thing (or well, as we've already seen she didn't). galatea is a different matter. she was strong back then and can still put up a fight, but her strengh is her exceptional yokireading. she got stronger but her main improvement was still in the yokireading department. and as much as i would love to say otherwise i don't think that galatea can handle miria now. i would put her above deneve but the gap is also closing. hopefully she'll get bored in nun purgatory and finally do something other than drinking tea. i also don't think that clare (pieta) was stronger than "all of the ghosts (-m)" *like shit, that is. also: please stop treating raquel like a fleshed out character. she had a cool name but her only purpose was to tell claire that a loli gets of on torture. she was a walking plot device and you know it. so please stop using her as an example that yagi killed characters back then when the twins said a chapter ago that "some of the claymores were still alive". the claymores that died in the revolution are as fleshed out as raquel. Last edited by fraktur; 2011-12-27 at 15:06. |
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2011-12-27, 14:00 | Link #24 |
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Yep. In case of Clare and Galatea there shouldn't be any doubt, in case of Jean since she had much higher number than any of the ghosts (except Miria) and was single digit and had the most powerful attack any Claymore had AND she completely awakened (so she also had a bonus of partial-awakening) I don't see how it's that strange to you that someone would think that.
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2011-12-27, 14:39 | Link #25 |
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I think it's hard to imagine since no situation similar to Rigardo has happened to the Ghosts since Jean died. Jean was defenseless against him. The teamwork and experience of the Ghosts has greatly improved, so they are rarely in helpless, 1v1, situations. Cynthia and Yuma vs Beth may be the closest I can think of. We saw the result of that.
With that being said, Helen kinda stole her technique, and had a few years of training. I wont say that makes her stronger, but it doesn't mean she isn't better than Jean.
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2011-12-27, 15:16 | Link #26 | |
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2011-12-27, 16:17 | Link #27 | ||||||
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This is going to be fun .
Now fraktur, don't twist my words. I never said no one besides Clare can become stronger, I said that the gap between Jean and Deneve was just too big. Between a single digit and #10 there is always a gap and Jean was 6 ranks higher than Deneve who was 4 ranks lower than Undine even. Also, all Deneve has shown for now is her superior regeneration which wouldn't help her against destructive power of a drill sword. One hit could end their fight while Deneve wouldn't have anything special in her arsenal besides using two swords (which wouldn't necessarily be an advantage, otherwise we would only see warriors using two weapons instead of one either in our or Claymore world). You might also say that Deneve has above average strength but strength was Jean's trump card so I doubt she would lose in that department (she also was extremely tough for an offensive warrior). As for Helen, sure she can twist her arm quickly but that also means her attack is less powerful. Since Helen is more flexible and her body is more "plastic" every one twist of her arm carries less power than Jean's one twist (in other words Jean's one twist carries more potential energy than Helen's since to twist it even once you have to use more strength). So it might be that one twist of Jean equals two or three Helen's twists and that Helen could make 2-3 twists more in the same amount of time than Jean wouldn't necessarily mean her attack would be more powerful. Power equals energy/time, so if Jean could do 2 twists in 1 second and Helen 2 twists in 0.5 second but Jean's twist would have two times higher potential energy it wouldn't make a difference power-wise. Quote:
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1) Isley conveniently attacked Deneve not her, otherwise she would be dead already 2) She was cloaked 3) Isley was injured and weakened 4) Isley was distracted by AE and Deneve who Isley must have known wasn't dead And Isley in his human form must have been slower than awakened Rigaldo. Considering above I don't see why Jean wouldn't be able to do as much as Helen did. Quote:
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You are right of course, funny thing though, I didn't make this mistake later on. Anyway, thanks for pointing it out. Last edited by Gooral; 2011-12-27 at 16:33. Reason: fractur -> fraktur | Changing one thing about graph 1 |
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2011-12-27, 16:32 | Link #28 |
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as i already stated this is not going to be a quotewar, i may edit later though
i didn't read your whole post but even now i can agree that jeans drillsword is far stronger than helens limb extension... what? afaik the databook was released before we even knew helen could use the drillsword, so it doesn't even compare their drillsword versions. about the only clare will x: it's just something that catched my eye. people are more likely to ignore or even like bullshit plot twists if it helps claire get a special position or something but react extreme harsh if others get the same "helping hand". some people start raging while others are just biased. (it's not just you (and you aren't even an extreme example), so don't address it). i'm not forgetting galateas large yoki. but the main problem is she doesn't even want to use her yoki because of her model looks (for which i, strangely, even like her more). also galatea countered clarices "she is far stronger than you" with "she as more yoki than me" so larger yoki isn't everything (if you're not priscilla at least). also if you fight against miria it's a fight of speed and galatea isn't as fast. would galatea have beaten miria 7 years ago? no, she wouldn't just beat her. she would wipe the floor with her. but now? i don't think so. i didn't reread witches maw (and you can argue with nixl in greater detail about the arc) but riful didn't torture that many claymores. but twin a (or b, srsly they got more screentime then nike, we should name them ourselves if yagi isn't going to) said "there are still warriors who are alive and have merely lost consciousness." of course she didn't say some died. but, at least for me, her sentence is a hint that some are dead. mirias comment doesn't state anything (sometimes when she opens her mouth it has some strange results). you're right we don't know how strong helens drillsword is. but for all we know it could also be still 90% of jeans strengh or not have any loss at all. but not every enemy has a hard shell like duff. for most of them that many spins aren't even needed. and after a few spins it's just overkill anyway. we also don't know how fast she spins her arm but it's at least fast enough that she doesn't need to become a sitting duck like jean. which in itself is a huge advantage. the long rage is also a bonus. most of deneves stats should be really high now. and i'm pretty sure higher then jeans 7 years ago, minus strengh. remember this is not an imaginary scenario where jean trained with the ghosts 7 years ago. this is still the same jean as you stated. but deneve become stronger, got faster and got used to fighting abs. you're right about the fact that jean wasn't one-shotted by rigaldo. but jean in return didn't one-shot the other abs in pieta. but deneve and helen play with the abs they encounter (we could call that one-shot actually but yes they use more than one swing of their swords) and even after fighting hellcats for a whole day they weren't nearly dying of exhaustion (let's ignore how ridiculous that was). Last edited by fraktur; 2011-12-27 at 18:23. |
2011-12-27, 16:37 | Link #29 |
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Yeah, you're right, I added a correction before I've seen your post. Anyway, I wanted to quote you since I wanted to address these particular points but I could sum it up without quote wars next time.
Edit: Twins said exact same thing, Compare: Miria: "And for the sake of the warriors that are still alive" Twins: "There are still warriors who are alive and have merely lost consciousness." No confirmation of death either. Last edited by Gooral; 2011-12-27 at 17:05. |
2011-12-27, 22:56 | Link #31 |
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@Gooral I am not going to be able to post my response till I get my laptop back and end my holiday visit. I am thrilled with the responses thus far, but if I have my android auto convert "the" into "three dimensional" one more time I am going to punch a cat. I just cannot do this through a phone . Girlfriend aggro does not make this any easier.
Edit I can only read a few lines, but why is a Ronald McDonald pic posted? Isn't a little early for more deneve comparison pictures? |
2011-12-27, 23:30 | Link #32 | |
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I didn't know Claymore received the education in classical physics.
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...because Miria speaks it out loud.
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2011-12-27, 23:56 | Link #35 | |
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for example if the prongs are ejecting towards this position --> her body will move towards this position <-- due to the reaction force |
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2011-12-28, 00:11 | Link #36 | |
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she was surprised becoz: 1) the warriors can "float"/"fly" in the air <-- all becoz of Anastasia hair 2) Tabatha's yoki could not be detected coz she is the only one that hasn't emitted any yoki after 7 years other hints for you guys to figure out the chapter: 1) hysteria said she wanted to fly in the air (and thus the current awakened form), but with such tiny wings, her speed in the air was not even 1/10 of her speed on the ground, she said she might as well rip the wings herself 2) no.8 n no.15(?) could cut hysteria's wings off coz no.8 said when moving in the air, being lighter had an advantage 3) after her wing being cut off, hysteria asked miria if she was surprised to see that after awakening, hysteria herself didn't seem to be quite agile; and hysteria said miria should be able to understand why her awakened form was like that |
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2011-12-28, 01:11 | Link #37 |
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1.) Really. If she doesn't sprout new prongs repeatedly to keep up doing that even MORE blitz powered technique, then her form is flawed.
2.) Her form is further flawed if it awakened into a winged state that hinders her via wings that needed to be removed to reach full power. 3.) Why on EARTH is she still kicking their ass then!? AND flying despite no wings.
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2011-12-28, 02:31 | Link #40 |
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Someone has to be the announcer, else reader won't know what's going on. It's like shonen manga characters like to call out their move. Even they are in the heat of battles, they need to stand by and explain their next move. Some manga(not Claymore) have walls of texts. Also, too much text would turn readers off. The good thing is Miria is not babbly yet.
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