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SaintessHeart · 2011-03-21, 23:19

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Originally Posted by Lilithium

He won't be able to elaborate! His initial reply to this thread is hardly even a sentence. But let's face it, the US wanted to stay out of this conflict. But Europe is Europe, and their oil supply was being threatened so they whined to us to help. It's funny because the Taliban & Saddam Hussein were far worse than Gaddafi has been his entire career as a dictator, and we got crapped on by the world for invading their respective countries.

Now they ask us for help. What the fuck? I hate having friends.

I do remember he is one of our few posters from the Mideast, who have a better understanding of the emotional demographic on the ground there. I would be interesting to know what he is actually thinking and argue from that point instead of just condemning him just like that.

flying ^ · 2011-03-21, 23:21

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Originally Posted by Asuras

Your thoughts on the US' air raid upon Libyan soil.

Good or bad? Uncalled for or, "It's about damn time?"

more like... why can't western europe do it on their own?

i know it's not in their interest to see that country become like somalia and lose their hi-quality oil (really... libya crude oil is really hi-quality!).... but COME ON! It's time for them to scale back their very generous social welfare stuff just a little bit and man up by increasing their military spending to US levels so they don't have to rely on US every friggin time!

Autumn Demon · 2011-03-21, 23:23

Another major US military intervention without Congressional approval.

SaintessHeart · 2011-03-21, 23:26

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Originally Posted by flying ^

more like... why can't western europe do it on their own?

i know it's not in their interest to see that country become like somalia and lose their hi-quality oil (really... libya crude oil is really hi-quality!).... but COME ON! It's time for them to scale back their very generous social welfare stuff just a little bit and increase their military spending to US levels so they don't have to rely on US every friggin time!

Most of Europe's countries are land-locked, so they do not have to build up expeditionary forces like the US (other than Britain, but their SAS and RMC will suffice) to do long range fast insertion and FIFO.

And besides, most of their politicians don't have the balls like US to do something out of imagination. Like Grenada.

Lilithium · 2011-03-21, 23:26

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Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

I do remember he is one of our few posters from the Mideast, who have a better understanding of the emotional demographic on the ground there. I would be interesting to know what he is actually thinking and argue from that point instead of just condemning him just like that.

I hope his post doesn't resemble this one from another forum I post on!

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Originally Posted by Saudi Arabian Man

The UN gave AlGaddafi the time to kill the people in Benghazi and Israel sent Mercenaries and weapons to Gaddafi to stop the revolution and kill the people.
The only solution is Arabic-Islamic soldiers and air-force to finish Gaddafi off.
the UN is a trick.

Asuras · 2011-03-21, 23:27

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Originally Posted by flying ^

more like... why can't western europe do it on their own?

i know it's not in their interest to see that country become like somalia and lose their hi-quality oil (really... libya crude oil is really hi-quality!).... but COME ON! It's time for them to scale back their very generous social welfare stuff just a little bit and man up by increasing their military spending to US levels so they don't have to rely on US every friggin time!

Would be nice wouldn't it? But we can't expect that within a few months, so it's now or never.

Although, I'm pretty sure they don't need us anyways.

They have an air force too right?!

Ithekro · 2011-03-21, 23:30

Actually I'd welcome an Arab League air strike and ground force doing just that to Libya. Have them clean up their own for a change instead of waving at the Europeans and Americans to do it and then turning on the Westerners after everything starts to save face in the greater Islamic World.

Reckoner · 2011-03-21, 23:31

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Originally Posted by Autumn Demon

Another major US military intervention without Congressional approval.

This. I don't care what jsutification there is for the war. Unless we are in immediate threat and need to take immediate action, congress needs to actually declare war. Oh yeah, this hasn't been war since Nixon

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SaintessHeart · 2011-03-21, 23:31

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Originally Posted by Asuras

Would be nice wouldn't it? But we can't expect that within a few months, so it's now or never.

Although, I'm pretty sure they don't need us anyways.

They have an air force too right?!

Only a bunch of Eurofighter Typhoons with 1990s and early 2000s avionics. Heck they don't even have the high-altitude precision stealth bombers to do surgical strikes on enemy AA and radar installations - they have to rely on Special Forces which cannot communicate with command until they finished their task and are ready for extraction.

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Originally Posted by Reckoner

This. I don't care what jsutification there is for the war. Unless we are in immediate threat and need to take immediate action, congress needs to actually declare war. Oh yeah, this hasn't been war since Nixon

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The threat is $150/bbl oil.

Spare a thought about those who drive! *sarcastic*

P.S Since you are on you should come in and play some SC2.

Asuras · 2011-03-21, 23:32

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Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Only a bunch of Eurofighter Typhoons with 1990s and early 2000s avionics. Heck they don't even have the high-altitude precision stealth bombers to do surgical strikes on enemy AA and radar installations - they have to rely on Special Forces which cannot communicate with command until they finished their task and are ready for extraction.

...

Jesus. Never mind then. They need us, at least for a speedy campaign.

Lilithium · 2011-03-21, 23:34

I am so in favor of the Arab League and Europe dealing with Libya on their own. It's pretty enraging that we were condemned throughout the world for our actions in Iraq & Afghanistan and now this! Europe has to deal with Libya for the sake of their oil supply, and all of a sudden invasion of a sovereign state is okay with them!

European war mongering bastards. Feels so good to say that....LOL!

flying ^ · 2011-03-21, 23:37

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Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

The threat is $150/bbl oil.

Spare a thought about those who drive! *sarcastic*

yeah!

and i don't WANT my daily driven tuned iVTEC honda accord to run on 87 and 89 octane!

ganbaru · 2011-03-21, 23:41

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Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Only a bunch of Eurofighter Typhoons with 1990s and early 2000s avionics. Heck they don't even have the high-altitude precision stealth bombers to do surgical strikes on enemy AA and radar installations - they have to rely on Special Forces which cannot communicate with command until they finished their task and are ready for extraction.

The french are using the Rafale insted of the Eurofighter (probably not better, maybe worse than the Eurofighter). We canadian send 6 CF-18; I guess than mister Harper send thoses as a means to build arguments in favor for his ( controversal) decission of remplacing the CF-18 by the F-35 much more than helping the libyans.

Asuras · 2011-03-21, 23:44

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Originally Posted by ganbaru

The french are using the Rafale insted of the Eurofighter (probably not better, maybe worse than the Eurofighter). We canadian send 6 CF-18; I guess than mister Harper send thoses as a means to build arguments in favor for his ( controversal) decission of remplacing the CF-18 by the F-35 much more than helping the libyans.

Makes one wonder if saving the Libyans is a cover for everyones true interests.

Reckoner · 2011-03-21, 23:44

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Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

The threat is $150/bbl oil.

Spare a thought about those who drive! *sarcastic*

P.S Since you are on you should come in and play some SC2.

Sure. But let congress decide that. I'm just tired of the gross overstepping of power by the president.

I may be on later tonight.

Lilithium · 2011-03-21, 23:45

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Originally Posted by Asuras

Makes one wonder if saving the Libyans is a cover for everyones true interests.

Of course it is, Asuras. Do you think we live in a decent and sane world?

Asuras · 2011-03-21, 23:47

How many people here aren't Realists?

ganbaru · 2011-03-21, 23:50

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Originally Posted by Asuras

How many people here aren't Realists?

It real question isn't about Realism but how much our opinion influence the perception.

Asuras · 2011-03-21, 23:51

You lost me there.

Jesus. I feel like I can't contend with you guys.

Ithekro · 2011-03-22, 00:00

Congress gave approval for the Iraq War of 2003. Or at least they provided approval for use of armed forces against Iraq to the President "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate".

Congress has not declared a war since 1941. The Korean War was not a declared war either if you want to get down to it from the point of view of America declaring war on somebody. We've more or less handed that task over to the United Nations.

In addition to this, Nixon did not start the war in Vietnam. It was started long before he got into office. He ended the Vietnam War. Kennedy got us unto that war for the most part, and Johnson get the ball rolling into high gear in 1965.

2011-03-21, 23:30	Link #27
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Actually I'd welcome an Arab League air strike and ground force doing just that to Libya. Have them clean up their own for a change instead of waving at the Europeans and Americans to do it and then turning on the Westerners after everything starts to save face in the greater Islamic World. __________________

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Asuras Dictadere~! Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: On the front lines, fighting for inderpendence.	How many people here aren't Realists? __________________

2011-03-21, 23:51	Link #39
Asuras Dictadere~! Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: On the front lines, fighting for inderpendence.	You lost me there. Jesus. I feel like I can't contend with you guys. __________________

2011-03-22, 00:00	Link #40
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Congress gave approval for the Iraq War of 2003. Or at least they provided approval for use of armed forces against Iraq to the President "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate". Congress has not declared a war since 1941. The Korean War was not a declared war either if you want to get down to it from the point of view of America declaring war on somebody. We've more or less handed that task over to the United Nations. In addition to this, Nixon did not start the war in Vietnam. It was started long before he got into office. He ended the Vietnam War. Kennedy got us unto that war for the most part, and Johnson get the ball rolling into high gear in 1965. __________________

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Autumn Demon ~ Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Boston Age: 35	Another major US military intervention without Congressional approval.

2011-03-21, 23:34	Link #31
Lilithium Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Abstract Side of Reality Age: 35	I am so in favor of the Arab League and Europe dealing with Libya on their own. It's pretty enraging that we were condemned throughout the world for our actions in Iraq & Afghanistan and now this! Europe has to deal with Libya for the sake of their oil supply, and all of a sudden invasion of a sovereign state is okay with them! European war mongering bastards. Feels so good to say that....LOL!