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View Poll Results: Re:Zero - Episode 18 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 61 | 70.11% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 14 | 16.09% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 8 | 9.20% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 2 | 2.30% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 1.15% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.15% | |
Voters: 87. You may not vote on this poll |
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2016-08-03, 15:04 | Link #282 | |
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From everything that has happened so far.
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2016-08-03, 15:08 | Link #284 |
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It's charming that you consider that a discussion, considering that Rem completely denied Subaru's perspective as being important pretty much the entire step of the way. I guess if you consider a "discussion" a form of debate where both people present different sides without any interchange of ideas.
Don't get me wrong. I like Rem and I feel like she gave Subaru what he needed at this specific point in time. But from the beginning, Rem has been incapable of giving Subaru what he truly wants: a good person to devote himself to. Only Emilia fulfills his qualifications as far as that goes. |
2016-08-03, 15:17 | Link #285 | ||
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And not giving him a good person to devote himself to? wtf? Do you honestly believe that drivel that Rem isn't a good person to devote themselves to? Emilia will never ever be able to do what Rem has done, because Emilia can only understand what is told her.
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2016-08-03, 15:18 | Link #286 |
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This is fun. I want to get into the shipping wars too!
So many people think Subaru is scum so why would they want him to be with the apparently perfect and flawless goddess known as Rem or the innocent maiden known as Emilia? You would think with all the Subaru hate and Rem worship going around that Subaru x Rem would be the most hated, least popular option. I am surprised no one is supporting a Reinhardt x Rem Combo. OP GaryStu perfection with waifu perfection. I, personally, am in the Subaru x Betelgeuse camp. Yandere ftw! Nothing says I love you like capturing your significant other, chaining them up, licking their eyeballs and brutally murdering the competition. Plus, with their every meeting Betelgeuse constantly speaks of love while looking at Subaru and when rejected by Subaru chews his fingers in grief! Subaru yells his name with great passion swearing to do immoral things to him when they meet again and pleads with Betelgeuse to be the one to kill him and thus be close to him in death. Has Subaru yelled the name of Emilia or Rem with such passion? I certainly didn’t hear it. Ask any homicidal yandere, it doesn't get more romantic than this! Did you see the glint in Subaru's eyes when he spoke of his passion for Betelgeuse with Crusch? His passion was so great that Wilhelm needed to step in to stop it from overwhelming his master. I never saw that for Emilia or Rem. What of his desperation to go back to Betelgeuse with the gift of an army? He was even willing to debase himself to get something suitable and Priscilla denied him, no doubt out of envy. Are Rem or Emilia willing to lick Subaru’s eyeballs? Are they willing to slaughter everyone that Subaru knows so that they can have him for themselves? I don't think so! I am sure it was the gentle hands of Betelgeuse that have been caressing Subaru's heart the whole series, stopping him from telling of their love to others. Who knew Betelgeuse was so shy? He wants to be alone with Subaru when they speak of love! When in the presence of Subaru Betelgeuse goes crazy, his excitement so great he contorts his body in glee. How can Rem and Emilia compete with that? There is only one ship! All others are leaky canoes. Subaru x Betelgeuse ftw. QED.
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2016-08-03, 15:19 | Link #287 | ||
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2016-08-03, 15:25 | Link #289 | |
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The reason Subaru loves Emilia is that Emilia is "objectively" good. She will tell the truth even when it hurts her. She will help people even when it could lead to her downfall. It's like a compulsion. Subaru and Rem don't have that impulse. Rem is incapable of the type of trust Emilia has unless she loves the person in question. Subaru appreciates Rem's devotion, but wants to be special to someone like Emilia. That's why Rem can't win. She took herself out of the running when she was suspicious of him to the point of murder, and Emilia won from the moment she helped a child even when it meant her kingship was on the line. |
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2016-08-03, 15:29 | Link #290 |
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I haven't been in the animesuki forums for a long time now but this anime basically brought me back. Haven't been this excited about an anime since I think Steins;Gate.
This episode was super powerful and I rewatched it just to see if I missed stuff. The fact they spent an entire episode on both characters talking about Subaru's flaws is extremly refreshing to me. I already noticed it in the past episodes but I think it's really interesting how self aware he is, sometimes questioning things I never expected a typical anime character to question or think about. I love his flaws. I'm not really taking sides, I like both Emilia and Rem and I think his rejection is actually kinda realistic since love is usually irrational. If you fall into love with someone you only see that person, no one else. Since he was probably a shut in in his life before, Emilia actually saving him and paying attention to him probably made him fall in love with her. I seriously like it this way and feel when he wouldn't have rejected her it would have felt very forced by the author. |
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2016-08-03, 15:51 | Link #294 | ||
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People sure have a hard-on for attributing some kind of jerkass behavior to people where there isn't any. |
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2016-08-03, 16:57 | Link #296 | |
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Yeah Rem took herself out so badly, that Subaru stopped caring about her, and didn't die for her multiple times. Oh wait. And because Subaru knew the importance of the crest in that moment, oh wait. Because Subaru actually knows Emilia really well, oh wait. He never admitted to not knowing her at all, oh wait. I would ground yourself on the "Emilia winning", just a little warning so you won't fall too hard.
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2016-08-03, 17:14 | Link #298 | |
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Of course Subaru cares about Rem. He cared about her even when she murdered him. But she's not the type of person he'll love like he does Emilia, when he can see that Emilia will go so far as to sabotage herself to protect others--like the scene where she says she would never use her trump card if Subaru was in the radius back when Subaru was pretty much a total stranger. I'm sorry you can't handle that the heroine of the series is Emilia. It's fine if you like Rem better, of course, but my tastes run closer to Subaru's and in the end, I agree with his choice. |
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2016-08-03, 18:01 | Link #299 |
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I think we're going to give the shipping wars a bit of a break now. It's been going on for days, and at this point people are a bit too emotionally-invested to consider the big picture and merits of both sides of the argument.
This thread may end up being unlocked again closer to the point where the next episode is going to air. Attempts to carry the shipping war into other threads will result in moderator action.
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2016-08-09, 20:47 | Link #300 |
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This.
THIS EPISODE. Only brilliance can properly describe it. Subaru finally breaking down and admitting the horrible person he is, pointing to all the pointlessness of all his actions and giving in to despair is nothing I've ever seen a main protagonist do in all the anime series I've watched. And Rem rescuing him from the depths of despair with that beautiful dialogue really made this episode shine a lot. If I may put a little opinion, Subaru admitting that he loved Emilia right after Rem confessed to him do make sense. After all, who was the first person who made a huge impression to his life right after he was transported to that world? Who was his motivation that made him endure all the resets that he has experienced? It was Emilia. Hell, if Subaru didn't meet Emilia in the first place, there's almost zero possibilities of him meeting Rem.
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