US Politics Thread (2021-24)

[ramlaen]

The guy Gaetz accused of blackmail admits to asking for money.
https://nypost.com/2021/04/05/man-ac...sked-for-cash/

Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

No obstruction charges were brought because Mueller complied with the Justice Department's opinion that sitting Presidents cannot be indicted.



https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruct...eport-heat-map

Yes the activists at Lawfare would like to direct your attention away from the fact that Mueller investigated multiple allegations of obstruction and failed to make a case out of any instance. This is why there were no articles of impeachment for obstruction.

Democrats like Lieu really tried to frame being -able to- charge Trump after his term as that Mueller -would have charged Trump- and was only stopped by DOJ opinion which forced Mueller to issue statements clarifying that was not the case.

[ramlaen]

For those of you not familiar with it, DC is explicitly not a state because as the seat of the US government it is not to be controlled by any state.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/washing...presentatives/

[cyberdemon]

They had reasons in the past but fact is that those who live in dc as taxpaying citizens of the US get no representation at the federal level. And yet it also has a population larger than several states who do get such representation

[Ithekro]

People do, which is why the plan still calls for the White House, Capitol and the National Mall to remain a Federal district called "The Capital". Just the area with civilian residence becomes a State that has more population than a few current states that have far more territory. This is not a new argument, as statehood or representation in Congress has existed since 1801 when the new residence found out they were not being represented, but still taxed. Also not able to have a say in Congress on any matter.

This current plan also moves to remove the 23rd Amendment to the Constitution, as "The Capital" should not need the three electoral votes for Presidential elections, and the new state will have them because they get actual representation in Congress.

[coded321]

Originally Posted by ramlaen

The guy Gaetz accused of blackmail admits to asking for money.
https://nypost.com/2021/04/05/man-ac...sked-for-cash/



Yes the activists at Lawfare would like to direct your attention away from the fact that Mueller investigated multiple allegations of obstruction and failed to make a case out of any instance. This is why there were no articles of impeachment for obstruction.

Democrats like Lieu really tried to frame being -able to- charge Trump after his term as that Mueller -would have charged Trump- and was only stopped by DOJ opinion which forced Mueller to issue statements clarifying that was not the case.

You're leaving out some pretty important details here, like 1)Mueller stated if he could clear Trump of obstruction, he would have done so, yet was unable to.
2)Trump's attempts to interfere with the investigation were mostly unsuccessful due to his officials ignoring his orders to interfere with said investigation.
3)His failures to directly interfere with the investigation led Trump to start a very public series of media attacks against the Mueller investigation, hence why anyone gave a damn about the investigation, because Trump kept publicly attacking it and bringing attention to it.
4)Trump refused to be interviewed in person by Mueller, with his lawyers telling him he would be in an orange jump suit if he was questioned in person.
5)And then there's the entire legal question as to whether Mueller actually had the authority/power to charge a sitting president.

Sure, its still questionable on whether trump could have been charged AND convicted on obstruction, a charge that has a high bar to convict, to claim that no case could be made is so grossly misleading.

And really, who are we kidding? Even if dems had an airtight case, smoking gun and everything, on any of the charges against Trump, repubs would have still acquitted him anyway. Some of them outright stated Trump was guilty of the impeachment articles as they were voting to acquit him anyway.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by coded321

You're leaving out some pretty important details here, like 1)Mueller stated if he could clear Trump of obstruction, he would have done so, yet was unable to.
2)Trump's attempts to interfere with the investigation were mostly unsuccessful due to his officials ignoring his orders to interfere with said investigation.
3)His failures to directly interfere with the investigation led Trump to start a very public series of media attacks against the Mueller investigation, hence why anyone gave a damn about the investigation, because Trump kept publicly attacking it and bringing attention to it.
4)Trump refused to be interviewed in person by Mueller, with his lawyers telling him he would be in an orange jump suit if he was questioned in person.
5)And then there's the entire legal question as to whether Mueller actually had the authority/power to charge a sitting president.

Sure, its still questionable on whether trump could have been charged AND convicted on obstruction, a charge that has a high bar to convict, to claim that no case could be made is so grossly misleading.

And really, who are we kidding? Even if dems had an airtight case, smoking gun and everything, on any of the charges against Trump, repubs would have still acquitted him anyway. Some of them outright stated Trump was guilty of the impeachment articles as they were voting to acquit him anyway.

They even let it be known even before the impeachment trial that they would vote not guilty regardless of any evidence.

[ramlaen]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

People do, which is why the plan still calls for the White House, Capitol and the National Mall to remain a Federal district called "The Capital". Just the area with civilian residence becomes a State that has more population than a few current states that have far more territory. This is not a new argument, as statehood or representation in Congress has existed since 1801 when the new residence found out they were not being represented, but still taxed. Also not able to have a say in Congress on any matter.

This current plan also moves to remove the 23rd Amendment to the Constitution, as "The Capital" should not need the three electoral votes for Presidential elections, and the new state will have them because they get actual representation in Congress.

There is no clear delineation between the 'civilian' and 'federal' sections of DC, if there was it would be a simple matter to reabsorb the 'civilian' sections into Maryland.

[Ithekro]

Reabsorbing into Maryland was on the table, the people of DC rejected it in favor of statehood by a large margin. In addition, the people of Maryland also rejected the idea by a large margin.

[cyberdemon]

Really the only thing stopping it right now is the terror republicans feel about giving democrats an extra 2 seats in the senate

[Sheba]

At least not all of them are drunk on the Qanon koolaid.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/10/p...arty-congress/

[Key Board]

Well, if you're a qanon and you've been told the election was stolen, the GOP is full of RINOS, and all we have to do is wait for Trump to unveil the pedo satanist cabal would you go out to vote or donate money to GOP candidates.

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[ramlaen]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-int...merican-troops

I wonder how many media outlets who eagerly pushed the fake news of Russian bounties will apologise, probably none.

[ganbaru]

Krystal and Saagar: Wall Street TRIES TO BUY Manhattan District Attorney Race

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkIGbvpogis

[ramlaen]

We finally learned how Officer Sicknick died.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...r-capitol-riot

The D.C. chief medical examiner has ruled that Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick suffered two strokes and died of natural causes the day after he took part in defending the Capitol during the Jan. 6 riots

Medical examiner Francisco J. Diaz, in an interview with the Post, said that Sicknick's autopsy did not find any evidence that the 42-year-old officer suffered an allergic reaction to the chemical substance, which Diaz said would have caused Sicknick's throat to seize.

Diaz also said there were no indications of internal or external injuries.

[Sheba]

Derek Chauvin guilty on three charges. Boy, he gonna run to the Aryan Brotherhood for some protection if he want to stay alive in prison for more than 1 month.

[ganbaru]

Isn't he likely to get more protection in jail to begin with?

[GDB]

Originally Posted by ganbaru

Isn't he likely to get more protection in jail to begin with?

Yes. There's basically zero chance he isn't put in some form of protection or isolation. He'd be dead within a week otherwise having been a cop and all.

[Key Board]

The FBI has raided Rudy Giuliani’s apartment

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[Guardian Enzo]

Originally Posted by Key Board

The FBI has raided Rudy Giuliani’s apartment

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They don't make sanitary gloves thick enough.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

They don't make sanitary gloves thick enough.

They might want to make sure they aren’t melting like Rudy Giuliani was lol