Coronavirus 2020-22

[Yu Ominae]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...virus-n1164111

Trump can make things worse.

Related stuff, I'm reading news that some Asian-Americans are resorting to stockpiling small arms just in case.

[Key Board]

Yes, I still remember what happened to Sikh and Moslem Americans after 9/11

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[ramlaen]

Originally Posted by Yu Ominae

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...virus-n1164111

Trump can make things worse.

Related stuff, I'm reading news that some Asian-Americans are resorting to stockpiling small arms just in case.

Sorry but facts are facts, the virus originated in China and Trump referring to it as such is in response to China conducting (dis)information warfare.

[SeijiSensei]

The "Spanish flu" allegedly originated in Kansas. WHO has explicitly said it chose the name "COVID-19" to avoid the potential for xenophobic or racist claims.

As for the Senate bill, it included a provision that gave $500 bn to Steve Mnuchin that he could distribute as he pleased. And none of the decisions needed to be made public for six months. Plus it also contained no monies for state and local governments or healthcare workers. So, yes, the bill deserved to be killed.

Republicans care about the health of large corporations, not the millions of disemployed Americans now wondering whether they can pay their rent or mortgage next month.

McConnell is going to have a tougher time ramming through crap like this as his members go into self-quarantine. Rand Paul's selfish (well, he is a libertarian) decision to act as if he wasn't a threat to his fellow Senators is the main reason. Right now the division in the Senate stands at 48R-47D down from 53-47. A couple more Republicans going into quarantine would give the Democrats a majority. And, of course, neither House of Congress has done anything to enable remote voting, though they have considered it in the past.

Update: Another proposal in the Republican bill is also limiting its passage.

The provision in question is a limitation on funding that the GOP stimulus bill has built into the measure that sets aside $350 billion to provide loans for small businesses. That money would be available to small businesses that don’t lay off workers.

According to language in the bill forwarded to me by a senior Senate Democratic aide, this provision excludes “nonprofits receiving Medicaid expenditures,” which would not be eligible for those loans.

This language has been interpreted in some quarters as an effort to deny funding to Planned Parenthood, a longtime GOP target. But Democratic aides think the language means a lot more than this.

Specifically, Democratic aides believe this language would exclude from eligibility for this financial assistance a big range of other nonprofits that get Medicaid funding, such as home and community-based disability providers; community-based nursing homes, mental health providers and health centers; group homes for the disabled; and even rape crisis centers.

“The Republican Senate bill would prevent many small Medicaid-funded providers from accessing small business loans,” Mara Youdelman, the managing attorney of the National Health Law Program’s D.C. office, told me.

Youdelman added that tens of millions of people across the country are reliant on such programs, and agreed that the GOP bill, as drafted, would exclude them from accessing the stimulus package’s assistance for small businesses. She noted that providers in rural areas could also get targeted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...stimulus-bill/

[Toukairin]

Japan Today are a real bunch of jerks. People comment on articles and are voicing legitimate concerns about how the Japanese government is dealing with the coronavirus. And what do the moderators do over there? They remove posts and then invoke some shit to deny people the ability to post comments again. What's the point of having a comments section for each article then?

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Originally Posted by ramlaen

Sorry but facts are facts, the virus originated in China and Trump referring to it as such is in response to China conducting (dis)information warfare.

Anyone who has followed the story since January/February knows that the virus was first spotted in China. The CCP can try as hard as they can to change the narrative, but facts will remain visible regardless. However, not using the virus by its officially designated name or then using a term with a pejoratively racist undertone like "kung flu" is a no-no. Because of that, AMERICANS of Asian descent are being spat at or, worse, beaten by bigots out there. How would you feel if Americans of Italian descent were to get the same treatment because one says that they got it worse and then spreaded to Americans? Think about that twice before you tolerate anything without thinking about consequences.

And like SenjiSensei pointed out, we could have called the 1918 Spanish Flu as the 1917 Kansas Flu because first cases were spotted in 1917 in Kansas. Sure it would be fun if Kansas was obstracized because a pandemic that killed tens of millions started there, don't you think? Sarcastic, but plenty of food for thought.

[Heep]

Speaking about jerks :
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/czech-repu...165134212.html

[Toukairin]

I think we can soon scratch Hong Kong off the list of exemplary responses to the COVID-19 pandemic. The number of cases has almost doubled in the last week as the territory lowered its guard too soon.

Hong Kong appeared to have the coronavirus under control, then it let its guard down

This bug is relentless.

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by Key Board

I just learned that my aunt’s pastor attended a church leader conference despite covid19 warnings , and since than all 20+ people have been inflected.

Additionally, he is now dead, his wife is dead, and he may have infected hundreds when he performed oil anointment on the masses after that conference

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Originally Posted by NapoleonDeCheese

Our next door neighbor is a fanatic who attends her church every weekend including today, and the worst part is my aunt who lives with us is close friends with her and is constantly visiting her. If she catches it surely so will all of us, I'm terrified.

I was hesitant to join this thread because it's clearly not for people to exchange information about the Corona virus situation and more of a place to point fingers and blame other, but I have something to say on this.

As a Christian myself I find this to have been a stupid move, if they had wanted to warn people about the Covid-19 virus they could have just have done it through the many useful apps on the internet or a phone call, instead of holding a conference. Where I live the churches are all closed and I can only speak for myself (but I can guess that a lot of other churches are doing something similar), but the church we attend are just doing any gathering through conference calls from their homes (it's not the best but it is something) because we understand the seriousness of the situation.

Also, for anyone that was thinking of doing so, please don't assume or generalize that every religious person is just ignoring the rules and not taking things as seriously as they should. Just because some people are like that it doesn't represent the whole, sadly, assumptions and generalizations are the norm whenever someone talks about something related to a group or organization so I might be expecting way too much.

[Key Board]

No one's calling it the Christian virus yet.
And I doubt it will ever go that way in the west.

Still, people like patient 31 exist.

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[ganbaru]

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

Also, for anyone that was thinking of doing so, please don't assume or generalize that every religious person is just ignoring the rules and not taking things as seriously as they should. Just because some people are like that it doesn't represent the whole, sadly, assumptions and generalizations are the norm whenever someone talks about something related to a group or organization so I might be expecting way too much.

I doubt than anybody thinking seriously would go for a generalisation so large than would encompass such large and varied group, from moderate to zelots. I won't deny than religion may exacerbate a issue, it need something else. In both case cited ignorance might be a bigger reason than religion.

[Key Board]

Banner Health experts warn against self-medicating to prevent or treat COVID-19
PHOENIX (March 23, 2020) – Medical toxicologists and emergency physicians are warning the public against the use of inappropriate medications and household products to prevent or treat COVID-19. In particular, Banner Health experts emphasize that chloroquine, a malaria medication, should not be ingested to treat or prevent this virus.

http://bannerhealth.mediaroom.com/tr...er?item=122999

IIRC, there were some studies showing limited success with chloroquine.
Sounds like someone went way over the dosage requirements in this case

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[Heep]

Originally Posted by ganbaru

In both case cited ignorance might be a bigger reason than religion.

Religions exist because of ignorance so I somewhat agree.

[Toukairin]

Thank you very much, Donald. Because you spoke stuff about chloroquine without letting scientists make appropriate tests first and then do the talk based on facts, a man has died.

Arizona Man Dies After Trying COVID-19 Remedy Touted by Trump

edit: @MeoTwister5, this is something you should read since you're working on the field.

[ramlaen]

Originally Posted by Toukairin

Thank you very much, Donald. Because you spoke stuff about chloroquine without letting scientists make appropriate tests first and then do the talk based on facts, a man has died.

Arizona Man Dies After Trying COVID-19 Remedy Touted by Trump

Yes it is Trump's fault this person tried to create their own chloroquine instead of waiting for it to be approved and won a Darwin award, please don't embarrass yourself.

[Toukairin]

Originally Posted by ramlaen

Yes it is Trump's fault this person tried to create their own chloroquine instead of waiting for it to be approved and won a Darwin award, please don't embarrass yourself.

How about the President of the United States starting to shut the fuck up and sit in a corner when something is out of his field of expertise? At least, George W. Bush had the dignity of letting experts do their job without touting that kind of misinformation in the air outside of the crap on the Iraq War.

Do me a favor.

[MCAL]

https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/s...92036874125319

The whole its China's fault thing is kind of ruined by the fact that even when the Chinese Government could no longer hide it, Trump barely did anything about it.

[Toukairin]

Originally Posted by MCAL

https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/s...92036874125319

The whole its China's fault thing is kind of ruined by the fact that even when the Chinese Government could no longer hide it, Trump barely did anything about it.

Point taken. Any other US administration would have been more serious about dealing with it, listening carefully to intel reports and then sharing what is necessary with all of their allies before it hits hard.

[Ithekro]

His constituents seems to be sort of on the side of:

1. This is a massive over-reaction to an illness.

2. This is blown out of proportion in a political effort to steal the election. (They see this as "oddly convenient" that this happens right after the impeachment failed)

3. That more people die of any number of other things per day than this virus, so why make it a big deal.

4. That the number of cases and deaths is tiny in the United States points them to the conclusion that this is just hype, and nothing out of the ordinary. (Lack of testing helps their case, since "numbers don't lie, but statistics can")

5. (Due to bill wording and legalize) point their finger at the Democrats for only wanting to push "socialism" and hurt the "working man".

5a. Don't see the Republican attempts to aid only the corporations' pockets or defund Social Security, because their are easily deflected due to just how polarized the nation has become politically.

5b. Though to be fair, the Democrats aren't being saintly about this thing either, which makes it even easier.

6. (Technically this is a question) What about the Libertarians?

[ganbaru]

I haven't followed the situation in the others province, but here in Québec we pretty much went from social distancing to closing most place of assembly and then now to the closing of pretty much all non-essential business (effective tomorrow) in a spam of less than 10 day.

Originally Posted by Heep

Religions exist because of ignorance so I somewhat agree.

As much as I might agree with you, this thread isn't really a place for starting that conversation.

[ramlaen]

Originally Posted by Toukairin

Point taken. Any other US administration would have been more serious about dealing with it, listening carefully to intel reports and then sharing what is necessary with all of their allies before it hits hard.

Care to make an (honest) comparison between the previous admin's response to Swine flu and the current admin's response to Coronavirus?