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Ebrie · 2016-08-23, 19:12

This was a great series where I feel like they fucked up the ending. Although the ending works in a genre sense (ie, this is a horror series and the ending is filled with that despair) I feel that thematically Kazuki's actions are terrible. It felt like Kazuki was manipulated into becoming dependent on Maria, fulfilling her wish of being needed, and I just can't help but find the idea unsettling. Not only did Maria get her wish (which is dyed in the tragedy of at least twenty people's suffering over two years) but Kazuki didn't seem to have choice since it was preordained for him to be her savior (since she unconsciously chose him, even manipulating his personality to fit into her needs). I like how the parallels work with the first novel, but I feel like they chose the wrong parallel: instead, it could have played out like this:

After Maria loses her memory, Kazuki has a unique opportunity. Just like in the Revenge Classroom, he now has an information advantage over Aya, like she used to with him. He sets himself up as the villain that she lost to in her previous life, and says that if she 'wins' she will get what she always desired: an 'Empty Box' which can allow for any type of wish. Unlike all other boxes, once Maria learns how to master this box, she can truly get perfection for her own box, which is her conscious driving goal. Thus, Kazuki styles himself a villain and uses his past knowledge (along with the other characters as allies) to corner Aya into realizing how all of her actions are causing suffering. From there, she gives up her persona and retreats into her box, where she makes her own 'wish' to be happy. Kazuki doesn't give in, dives into the box to save her, and we get a similar result to the last volume leaving out the repeating classroom. Instead, we have Maria's version of bliss.

Not only does Kazuki have more agency over his actions (which simply seem like insanity) but it can bring home the driving message for the series that 'wishes' are useless. Kazuki should never need his box in order to convince Maria to change, so it seems like the relationship between the two is so distorted. Does anyone else have similar thoughts?

Stark700 · 2016-12-16, 15:41

Yen Press licensed it today.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...-novel/.110013

Toullaty · 2016-12-16, 17:29

This is a very good news.
I thought it was possible a day without really believing.

AB079 · 2016-12-16, 17:50

It is good news to have them fully translated but that's gonna take years. Maybe a studio will pick this and make an adaptation but I really doubt it.

Sparteh · 2016-12-17, 04:07

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Originally Posted by AB079

It is good news to have them fully translated but that's gonna take years. Maybe a studio will pick this and make an adaptation but I really doubt it.

If they did make an adaptation, it would be 99% possibility of adaptation being ruined. I don't see any studio properly adapting it. Madhouse has some chances, but they are low as well.

Sacredus · 2016-12-17, 04:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by AB079

It is good news to have them fully translated but that's gonna take years. Maybe a studio will pick this and make an adaptation but I really doubt it.

Licensed by YP don't mean series will get anime in future... If it would be so then where is my Psycho Love Comedy anime? They got time for license right for Re;Zero but this series already ended so chances for additional promotion with animated series are VERY slim.

nicky. · 2017-03-29, 21:46

I'm about to start this series after being recommended to give it a try.

Konishi · 2017-09-02, 07:01

So... I would like to ask something, maybe not too relevant.. Does anyone know if when Kazuki names himeself Hathaway in novel 1 is supposed to be a reference to something? A certain character maybe?

Zer · 2017-11-18, 03:36

New series

Will be published on 21.11.

patcan3609 · 2017-11-19, 00:07

Looks great.

readher · 2018-05-29, 08:29

It's completely released in my country for a while and I finally managed to find time to read it (bought all volumes in a batch). Finished vol. 4 today and lets just say I'm really happy that

Spoiler for Vol. 4:

2016-12-16, 15:41	Link #282
Stark700 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Somewhere on Earth	Yen Press licensed it today. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...-novel/.110013 __________________

2018-05-29, 08:29	Link #291
readher Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Poland Age: 27	It's completely released in my country for a while and I finally managed to find time to read it (bought all volumes in a batch). Finished vol. 4 today and lets just say I'm really happy that Spoiler for Vol. 4: Kamiuchi got killed off without any bullshit redemption. Seriously, that guy was lowest of the scum.

2016-08-23, 19:12	Link #281
Ebrie Member Join Date: Apr 2016	This was a great series where I feel like they fucked up the ending. Although the ending works in a genre sense (ie, this is a horror series and the ending is filled with that despair) I feel that thematically Kazuki's actions are terrible. It felt like Kazuki was manipulated into becoming dependent on Maria, fulfilling her wish of being needed, and I just can't help but find the idea unsettling. Not only did Maria get her wish (which is dyed in the tragedy of at least twenty people's suffering over two years) but Kazuki didn't seem to have choice since it was preordained for him to be her savior (since she unconsciously chose him, even manipulating his personality to fit into her needs). I like how the parallels work with the first novel, but I feel like they chose the wrong parallel: instead, it could have played out like this: After Maria loses her memory, Kazuki has a unique opportunity. Just like in the Revenge Classroom, he now has an information advantage over Aya, like she used to with him. He sets himself up as the villain that she lost to in her previous life, and says that if she 'wins' she will get what she always desired: an 'Empty Box' which can allow for any type of wish. Unlike all other boxes, once Maria learns how to master this box, she can truly get perfection for her own box, which is her conscious driving goal. Thus, Kazuki styles himself a villain and uses his past knowledge (along with the other characters as allies) to corner Aya into realizing how all of her actions are causing suffering. From there, she gives up her persona and retreats into her box, where she makes her own 'wish' to be happy. Kazuki doesn't give in, dives into the box to save her, and we get a similar result to the last volume leaving out the repeating classroom. Instead, we have Maria's version of bliss. Not only does Kazuki have more agency over his actions (which simply seem like insanity) but it can bring home the driving message for the series that 'wishes' are useless. Kazuki should never need his box in order to convince Maria to change, so it seems like the relationship between the two is so distorted. Does anyone else have similar thoughts?

2016-12-16, 17:29	Link #283
Toullaty Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015	This is a very good news. I thought it was possible a day without really believing.

2016-12-16, 17:50	Link #284
AB079 Banned Join Date: Apr 2016	It is good news to have them fully translated but that's gonna take years. Maybe a studio will pick this and make an adaptation but I really doubt it.

2017-03-29, 21:46	Link #287
nicky. animesuki Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: United States of A.	I'm about to start this series after being recommended to give it a try.

2017-09-02, 07:01	Link #288
Konishi Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2017	So... I would like to ask something, maybe not too relevant.. Does anyone know if when Kazuki names himeself Hathaway in novel 1 is supposed to be a reference to something? A certain character maybe?

2017-11-18, 03:36	Link #289
Zer Member Join Date: Aug 2017	New series Will be published on 21.11.

2017-11-19, 00:07	Link #290
patcan3609 Member Join Date: Mar 2016	Looks great.