2017-08-18, 05:41 | Link #261 | |
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Many of the American cartoons are animated in Korea where labor costs for animation are even cheaper than in Japan (and other Asian countries, especially China, will continue to do more outsourced work as well). And these projects have much, much bigger budgets than anime. I admit I haven't done any reseach on that, but I doubt the animators suddenly earn significantly more money when they animate The Legend of Korra or do in-between animaton on The Simpsons. There are also more factors: People who work as animators do it because they want to. They could easily get other jobs that require no or low qualification and pay better (even part-time jobs pay better). They are, in early stages of their work life, also very replacable because in-between animation is a very mechanical process that doesn't require years of experience and is often outsourced anyway. (Though there has been a shortage of animators recently, but the explosive growth of the market is more to blame for that than the deterrent effect of the working conditions in the anime industry, I guess.) There are many open questions in the room. First we need to know if animators actually *get* more money if they work on shows produced by Crunchyroll, Amazon or Netflix. Do we have any proof that the people in Korea (I think it's Korea) who animated Castlevania earned more money? I'm not saying there aren't any improvements and every effort is commendable. It would be fantastic if every studio could become like Kyoto Animation (as in: employing their animators) or Polygon Pictures (normal working hours) at some point and animators and other stuff could live in financial safety and be in a position to support families. But I really don't see that happen anytime soon. And that's a real shame. |
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2017-08-18, 10:15 | Link #262 |
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And I would argue that the current labor model only survived as long as it has (and it's gotten worse and worse over the past two decades) because there really wasn't any alternative. Now there is. That's going to make it harder and harder for those who are invested in what's basically a serfdom to perpetuate it.
The production committee system has existed in some form or another for two decades, but its nature and influence looked a lot different 20, 10 or even 5 years ago.
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2017-08-18, 11:04 | Link #263 | ||||
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Much of this rests on the studios themselves. If they take the Western money and don't change their pay scales, nothing will be accomplished, long-term, and the animator shortage will mean that senior staff and production will remain Japanese but actual animation will be outsourced. Quote:
In other words, people who watch anime and nothing else are not their target audience. People who like to watch "quality television programming," however, are. Amazon used to be doing this as well. With the launch of Anime Strike, though, Amazon is deliberately trying to compete with Crunchyroll. Their business strategy looks like it has alienated the very demographic that they were courting, however. Quote:
1) The costs of living (especially outside of Seoul) are by-and-large cheaper than urban Japan. Many studios, like Dr. Movie, are based in cities like Busan which aren't as expensive as Seoul so your won goes further. 2) The yen-to-won exchange rate really favors Japan. Whenever I had to exchange money going to visit Japan, I felt like I paupered myself--especially when I had to pay Japanese prices for things! Meanwhile, when I converted yen to won, my buying power was greater. The same goes for the dollar-to-won exchange rate. Granted, though, that I haven't been over there in five years, though, so things could have changed. Quote:
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2017-08-18, 11:27 | Link #264 | |
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On the other hand Ellation's announced target audience is young people who don't care much about mainstream movies and television programming, preferring things like "anime, video games, niche action sports and other fare off the beaten path." Amazon obviously courts a much, much wider audience.
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2017-08-18, 11:42 | Link #265 | |
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That makes sense.
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2017-08-24, 09:22 | Link #266 |
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The New York Times, of all places, recently published this quite positive story about Crunchyroll in the context of one of the channel's movie nights.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/m...streaming.html
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2017-11-04, 19:07 | Link #267 |
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Somewhat of a necro here, but since I think what I'm posting about fits within the topic, I can do it:
Between tons more streaming being available as well as the number of fansub groups slowly but surely fading away, my question/thought is this: is it truly better to be subscribed to a streaming service that seems to be absolute crap when the unofficial/"illegal" releases were so much higher in quality? To me, this has never made sense. Although I'm subscribed to CR (technically through a VRV combo), the reason I made this choice was because of what else I got in the package. Yet, every time I go to watch a video, I cringe a little inside, because the CR subs, as well as so many other legal subs... are just crappy machine-translated subs, or at least they feel basically like they were just translated and slapped on, with no personality. In fact, a thread I saw over in reddit the other day came up with this: the illegal fansubs put stylized texts for different characters, and my personal favorite, always subbed the karaoke (which legal subs cannot do because of legalities with performing artists). Yet they were still always free. The stuff you pay for... is just to lackluster in comparison. Now, I understand that it seems to show there's at least two sides of the fandom. You have those who just want to know what they're saying and want it ASAP, and don't give a damn about the other qualities. Then you have the ones who actually cared, and the only way to get that without paying for it is to hope a decent fansub group will do the blu-rays. In fact, i almost feel like this is promoting Capitalism even more: we'll give you crappy rush job in order to promote the fact that you should buy blu-rays which have all the bells and whistles (which, for the record, I personally do not have the funds to buy everything that I like, especially not on pricey blu-ray. Also, there's the issue of space in my home...). Which makes me feel like I've fallen into a lost group: the ones who are willing to wait a few days for a good fansub of the current season. But with the apparent mindset of "no, we must have the current season's anime the day it comes out!" being the majority now... well, it just feels like subtitles have lost their artistic soul, especially all the legal subs. - I should probably note that I also usually prefer subbed over dubbed
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2017-11-05, 05:42 | Link #268 |
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Yeah, I get what you're saying. I usually wait for the BDs to come out, because I don't have the time to watch everything I like twice, so I want the best quality the first time around. Now the BDs usually show up about 12 to 18 months later and by that time, nowadays, there's still no decent fansub for most of the stuff. I haven't even found a dedicated fansub database, with all the subs (and no crappy picture subs like VOB/PGS) for every show (timed for the BDs), where you then download only the subs and provide the BD yourself. There's kitsunekko, but that's not a real database.
Sadly, most fans just don't care for quality.
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2021-03-29, 17:44 | Link #269 |
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Netflix is launching 40 anime movies and shows in 2021:
"Netflix will have a much larger anime collection to choose from by the end of this year. The streaming giant has announced at Tokyo's AnimeJapan 2021 Expo that it's launching around 40 anime shows and movies within the year, which is double the number of titles it released in 2020. As Bloomberg notes, it's likely part of the company's efforts to appeal to audiences in Asia and in international markets as a whole now that most North American viewers already have subscriptions." See: https://www.engadget.com/netflix-40-...074304890.html |
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