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Perfect 10 | 61 | 70.11% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 14 | 16.09% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 8 | 9.20% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 2 | 2.30% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 1.15% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.15% | |
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2016-08-03, 11:20 | Link #264 | |||
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I was talking in the context of this particular instance in Episode 17. She could have chosen to give him the benefit of the doubt in that instance, but she didn't. Putting that aside, what are your many examples of Emilia giving Subaru the benefit of the doubt? She certainly didn't give Subaru the benefit of the doubt when it came to agreeing to let him accompany her to the big Royal Selection meeting. Not exactly a nice way to treat the guy that was crucial in saving a neighboring village, and a guy that has been consistently nice to you and supportive of you and helped you out a lot in that first arc. Quote:
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There's something I held back on before, but I'm saying it now - I was pretty disgusted by Emilia just completely hanging Subaru out to dry when he rushed to her defense during the big Royal Candidate meeting. Sure it was an embarrassing scene, and Subaru badly overdid it, but he was doing it because he couldn't stand to hear her insulted like this. It should have been clear to her why he was doing this, why he was shouting at the gathered crowd after they treated her very nastily. You know, a lot of characters in Emilia's situation would have been moved by that. A lot of characters in Emilia's situation would have deeply appreciated Subaru rising to defend her like that, even if it was embarrassing. But she instead hung him out to dry, and just criticized him afterwards. Subaru did the wrong thing (practically speaking) but almost certainly for the right reasons, and it would have been nice if Emilia could have recognized that.
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2016-08-03, 11:29 | Link #265 |
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Yeah, just like she did in episode 7
...Oh wait What he said to her in ep 17 isn't anything like he said to her back in ep 13. You also seem to be ignoring Emilia's reaction to it and Subaru's own emotional state when the words came out. She seem to catch on that he wasn't talking to her. I don't see how that is consisent at all beyond losing control of himself and not talking properly. The rant itself even comes back in this episode during his self-reflection. |
2016-08-03, 11:33 | Link #266 | |
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After he saved her life, just like Emilia
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2016-08-03, 11:38 | Link #267 | |
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Her intent was to set him free, not to leave him out to dry. |
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2016-08-03, 11:42 | Link #268 | |
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Doesn't mattter, the original statement wasn't true at all.
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There is no denying a small part of him probably felt that way, but wasn't the entireity of his feelings. |
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Set him free? Did he want to be set free? Did he give the slightest indication that he wanted to be set free?
You know what's really sad here? Emilia was even given an easy out. An easy way to show appreciation for Subaru standing up for her and still save face and not leave him in a difficult situation. "Emilia-sama, if nothing else, he has shown us all that you are not one to be feared. You have a fine attendant." - One of the Council members(?) during the Royal Candidate meeting. Emilia could have easily replied, "Yes, I know he means well, and I appreciate him standing up for me. And I'm very glad you can tell how his actions reflect that I am not someone to be feared. He is not my knight, but I value his friendship. Good bye for now." Such a reply would probably have even been a positive for her in a political sense. But no, she couldn't even offer that much to Subaru after one of the bigwigs gave her the perfect opportunity to do so. Quote:
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2016-08-03, 13:19 | Link #276 | |
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I suggest rewatching the show a bit, not just to you but to all anime-only viewers because there is actually a lot of information that could be missed for first-timers. I will try to come a bit from Emilia's position; - Emilia paid an (unstated) price (evident from Crush's words later in episode 14, 14 minutes+) and formed a contract with Crush's faction to get Subaru healed for his fractured gate (go back to episode 12 and watch the starting few minutes; Felis and Wilheim visited because of that reason and Emilia didn't want Subaru to know; at 4 minutes, Felis was checking Subaru out - the extent of the damage to his gate to be precise; at 5 minutes+ Roswaal also mentioned that Emilia had a hard time enlisting their help) - At 15 minutes of episode 12, Emilia made Subaru promise her to stay put and further pleaded with him to give her a reason to trust him; This promise broken was actually the start of the fallout with him for her; recall from the latest episode what Puck said when he admonished Subaru. Promises are sacred and the most important thing to spirit contractors. Contrary to what you mentioned, after the fiasco at the selection, she certainly did not jump on him right away and gave him a chance to explain his position. Even though he broke his promise, which was an absolutely sacred thing to her, she listened to him first. Of course I'm not faulting Subaru here since he couldn't reveal his secret. She then proceeded to firmly assert that he was to stay here and she would return to the mansion. The reason why she was adamant about it was because his gate was in a really bad shape and could pose a threat to his life; and if he were to go back with her, they would never be able to enlist Felis help again to heal him (again evident from Crush's words in episode 14). Not once did she talk about the contract or the price she paid. All she wanted was for him to be healed. Unfortunately, they were in a state of misunderstanding and the conversation took a bad turn and they parted with things in a sour state (there was also a point on mismatching perspectives that hastened or amplified the fallout: Subaru told Emilia that he was treating her as someone special, but those words hurt Emilia as she wanted to be treated as ordinary ('special' to her = her half-elf Satella-resemblance status)). I'm one of those who rarely like to make long posts so I don't really want to go further on too much. But Emilia does care a lot about Subaru and tries to do things for him while remaining quiet about it. When Subaru wanted to take her to the village in arc 2, she was initially hesitant because she was fearful she would hurt his image because of her hated half-elf status. Her not acknowledging Subaru as her knight was partly, another way of hers in protecting him. For reasons not evident from the anime yet, the royal selection was no doubt extremely important to her and she was upset about his actions sure. But when she learned about him fighting Julius, she was genuinely concerned about his well-being. And in her harsh words after that, despite the importance of the selection, she never once used the royal selection as a reason (she only talked about the importance of royal selection previously to try to get Subaru stay out of harm's way). Her post-reprimands and retorts during the confrontation at that time were centered primarily on 2 things: 1. she needed Subaru to keep his promise because of its sacredness to her; and because of that paradigm in her position as a spirit contractor, it's very hard for her to trust someone who breaks promises, she keeps talking about the need to give her a reason to trust him and the audience is only supposed to understand those actions and words of hers after Puck admonished Subaru in episode 18; it's because of the paradigm she operates from which is different from Rem. 2. she did not want Subaru to get in further harm's way because of her; she was really upset in arc 2 where Subaru's life was literally on the line from the Mabeasts' attacks, and his final use of Shamac caused his gate to be in a really bad shape; going back again to the scene when she made him promise to stay put, she said he would do unreasonable things again if he followed, and what happened at the duel? He used Shamac on Julius again. He could have lost his life from that and this made her incredibly upset again (but she still believed he might have a good reason while she asked him in a trembling voice). As to why she did not reveal this, because doing that would result in her to inevitably revealing the contract and the price she paid. Well, since the nature of the contract was not really clear, I won't dispute much if you fault her on that (ie. not being honest with Subaru) . Finally, my interpretation of his words to Emilia in episode 17 would be: he started directing them to her, but when he got to the part with corpses, it was like a superimposition on himself as well, and this originated from the despair he was feeling because he was in a deadlock right now in which he saw no way out (detour and arriving too late vs no detour and encountering the white whale) plus he just lost Rem again. |
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2016-08-03, 14:00 | Link #277 | |
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I can't speak for the others but my problem is not accepting/understanding why some people are upset with the outcome of this episode. Actually, i even said Rem is being the best girl so far and it would be nice if Subaru could marry her already..lol. So, even tho i do not actually care about waifu wars/shipping i get why Rem fans are upset. I just can't accept the fact people saying it was illogical for Subaru still chosing Emilia after what happened tho. I have no doubts Rem is the best logical choice for him especially after what happened in this episode and i totally agree with you regarding Emilia's dubious actions towards Subaru during the Royal Candidate meeting. Emilia was indeed a bitch there and even i suspecting there was a reason for her to act like that (especially after she saw Subaru talking with Priscilla and Puck explaining how sacred promises are for Spirit users), it was still bad. However, should you give up on the person you love just because you had a misunderstanding and failed to express your feelings towards said person? Should you just give up on the person you love just because someone else made so much for you? Should we all just forget all the things that made Subaru go nuts for Emilia and saying his feelings are totally illogical and superficial just because they had some troubles in arc 3 and because most of you ship Rem? That is what i can't agree. Plus, regarding Subaru words towards Emilia in episode 17, i also had the feeling he was in part talking about himself, that's why he started to cry and made Emilia extremelly confused to what the hell is going on. I would say she took it pretty well and was very comprehensive to him given the harsh words he said. Last edited by DemonneoPT; 2016-08-03 at 15:09. |
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2016-08-03, 14:43 | Link #278 | |
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Considering the type of story Re:Zero is. How depressing. |
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2016-08-03, 14:43 | Link #279 |
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This is how I see it. Emilia is the girlfriend where if you don't explain every single thing out in words, it'll always lead to arguments and misunderstandings (from my understanding this aspect of her carries on beyond this arc). While Rem, you don't have to say much of anything because she understands you, and the type of person you are, she'll be patient and kill you with kindness, until you're ready to tell her what you need to tell her.
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