Jujutsu Kaisen <Sorcery Fight>

[Tactics]

Both cases you said is not comparable to Higuruma case.

In Mahito case, clearly it happened because Yuji forced his way to enter Mahito DE.
How is that Mahito flaw on understanding DE? Yuji entered his domain range, like it or not Sukuna automatically targeted too.

So do with Naoya case, what happened to him is not something not established before.
Megumi's DE need to acknowledge wall to make it proper DE since he can't erect quality barrier, we also have Sukuna who includes no-CE object as sure-hit target of Shrine. Naoya decided on that rule (24 FPS targeting moving object with curse energy) overlooked possibility Maki could bypass it by standing still. Its a problem when it shown to take down both Katana and Sumo Guy that sided with Maki?

Higuruma? We have a chapter about how to ensure Judgeman 100% taking Shrine, we even got Higuruma said Judgeman is using his knowledge as basis.
How could what confiscated ended up being Kamutoke? So all that talk about rules and specific how to corner Sukuna to get Shrine confiscated is a waste of chapter?
Worse, it made Higuruma debut and hype a mess since DE is embodiment of belief (anyone can cheated their way on his DE with random curse tools, means he's talking big for someone who willing to kill corrupted lawyers and judges), put doubt to his 20+ victory record in Culling Game too since top incarnate sorcerers may have curse tools, as shown by Yorozu and Kashimo.

When was Mahito and Naoya DE put doubt to what they capable of in past?

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Tactics

Both cases you said is not comparable to Higuruma case.

In Mahito case, clearly it happened because Yuji forced his way to enter Mahito DE.
How is that Mahito flaw on understanding DE? Yuji entered his domain range, like it or not Sukuna automatically targeted too.

Mahito didn't understand that DE's barriers are weak from the outside, or he wouldn't have tried that tactic.

So do with Naoya case, what happened to him is not something not established before.
Megumi's DE need to acknowledge wall to make it proper DE since he can't erect quality barrier, we also have Sukuna who includes no-CE object as sure-hit target of Shrine. Naoya decided on that rule (24 FPS targeting moving object with curse energy) overlooked possibility Maki could bypass it by standing still. Its a problem when it shown to take down both Katana and Sumo Guy that sided with Maki?

It was established back in Hidden Inventory that people without cursed energy can't be affected by barriers, which is how Maki bypassed it, not by standing still.

Higuruma? We have a chapter about how to ensure Judgeman 100% taking Shrine, we even got Higuruma said Judgeman is using his knowledge as basis.
How could what confiscated ended up being Kamutoke? So all that talk about rules and specific how to corner Sukuna to get Shrine confiscated is a waste of chapter?
Worse, it made Higuruma debut and hype a mess since DE is embodiment of belief (anyone can cheated their way on his DE with random curse tools, means he's talking big for someone who willing to kill corrupted lawyers and judges), put doubt to his 20+ victory record in Culling Game too since top incarnate sorcerers may have curse tools, as shown by Yorozu and Kashimo.

The whole point of that conversation is that Judgeman works off of Higuruma's subconscious knowledge of the law. In the eyes of the law, it makes sense to confiscate a criminal's weapon. The domain's effect confiscates cursed techniques so when you have a weapon with a cursed technique, stuff like this happens.

Neither Yoruzu or Kashimo had any special grade cursed tools. None of the reincarnates or new sorcerers had them.

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by Endscape

Mahito didn't understand that DE's barriers are weak from the outside, or he wouldn't have tried that tactic.

This is misinformation at best. He wanted to get rid of Nanami ASAP because he knew Nanami can survive single touch on his best condition.
So he naturally strengthened inner part of Domain to prevent him escape. How is it count as Mahito fault when what he did is simply prioritizing stronger enemy with recognition of Grade 1 Sorcerer compare to no-name like Yuji?

Originally Posted by Endscape

It was established back in Hidden Inventory that people without cursed energy can't be affected by barriers, which is how Maki bypassed it, not by standing still.

Read again. Naoya perceived Maki from cursed tools she used, thus Naoya confidence that it possible to detect her even with zero CE.
Her curse tool moving around, giving her position; noticed that Naoya questioning where's Maki as soon as he realized its Katana and Sumo Guy that moving around all that time. Maki stabbed him while standing still, very minimal movement. Still wanted to call it Naoya fault when both sides clearly using their brain on such situation?

Originally Posted by Endscape

The whole point of that conversation is that Judgeman works off of Higuruma's subconscious knowledge of the law. In the eyes of the law, it makes sense to confiscate a criminal's weapon. The domain's effect confiscates cursed techniques so when you have a weapon with a cursed technique, stuff like this happens.

Neither Yoruzu or Kashimo had any special grade cursed tools. None of the reincarnates or new sorcerers had them.

Higuruma killed corrupted lawyers and judges and his subconscious tell him to just take item that not even used to do any crime from a serial killer?
What's the point of last chapter again? Why we not see some talk about Higuruma subconscious may ruin anything before? Isn't it more terrible, to think his subconscious believe case of illegal pachinko entry lead to CT confiscation is a fair judgement while a serial murder can get away with item imbued by curse energy without any connection to case he got.

Yorozu CT able to create cursed tool, how else she able to get Kamutoke for Sukuna, smh.
Kashimo also have cursed tool that is rod he used to conduct electricity against Panda and Hakari.
Charles big pen used to fight Hakari is also a cursed tool. Big cockroach killed by Yuta also using cursed tool.

Higuruma's gavel-turned-into-Executioner Sword is also a cursed tool, to add.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Tactics

This is misinformation at best. He wanted to get rid of Nanami ASAP because he knew Nanami can survive single touch on his best condition.
So he naturally strengthened inner part of Domain to prevent him escape. How is it count as Mahito fault when what he did is simply prioritizing stronger enemy with recognition of Grade 1 Sorcerer compare to no-name like Yuji?

Are you forgetting that whole conversation he had with Sukuna before that? He knew touching Sukuna's soul would be fatal, yet he still used his DE when Yuji was around. He did exclude Yuji from the barrier, but he didn't anticipate him breaking in because he's inexperienced

Read again. Naoya perceived Maki from cursed tools she used, thus Naoya confidence that it possible to detect her even with zero CE.
Her curse tool moving around, giving her position; noticed that Naoya questioning where's Maki as soon as he realized its Katana and Sumo Guy that moving around all that time. Maki stabbed him while standing still, very minimal movement. Still wanted to call it Naoya fault when both sides clearly using their brain on such situation?

Perhaps you should read again.

Spoiler:

Higuruma killed corrupted lawyers and judges and his subconscious tell him to just take item that not even used to do any crime from a serial killer?

You're still missing the point. Judgeman works via Higuruma's knowledge of the law.

What's the point of last chapter again? Why we not see some talk about Higuruma subconscious may ruin anything before?

That was literally what they talked about last chapter.

Isn't it more terrible, to think his subconscious believe case of illegal pachinko entry lead to CT confiscation is a fair judgement while a serial murder can get away with item imbued by curse energy without any connection to case he got.

You're forgetting he got death penalty too.

Yorozu CT able to create cursed tool, how else she able to get Kamutoke for Sukuna, smh.

She can't create special grade cursed tools. She literally had to do a binding vow that killed herself to make Kamutoke.

Spoiler:

Kashimo also have cursed tool that is rod he used to conduct electricity against Panda and Hakari.

Not a special grade cursed tool.

Charles big pen used to fight Hakari is also a cursed tool.

Big cockroach killed by Yuta also using cursed tool.

Higuruma's gavel-turned-into-Executioner Sword is also a cursed tool, to add.

Those all came with their techniques.

[Tactics]

Spoiler for 246:

- Sukuna made two hole on Choso
- Ino block Sukuna kick with Nanami's machete.
- Sukuna praise the group for being better at technique compare to the last time he observe them via Yuji.
- Kusakabe suspect World Cleave need some kind of charge because cutting dimension without some kind of binding vow is too much.
- Higuruma survive the attack because he managed to understand Domain Amplification as soon as he saw it during Sukuna vs. Gojo
- Higuruma once again hyped, this time as genius comparable to Gojo.

Gege announced on Jump Festa 2023 that Jump Festa 2023 likely the last Jump Festa for Jujutsu Kaisen.
That means he planned to finished it before December 2024. The longest would be three tankoubon, roughly 27 chapters left.
Since Kenjaku took one volume to be defeated, Sukuna probably the same, followed by The Merger after Uraume vs. Hakari conclusion.

Originally Posted by Endscape

Are you forgetting that whole conversation he had with Sukuna before that? He knew touching Sukuna's soul would be fatal, yet he still used his DE when Yuji was around. He did exclude Yuji from the barrier, but he didn't anticipate him breaking in because he's inexperienced

His focus was Nanami.
Man who said in front of him that he's Grade 1 Sorcerer.
Man who he saw himself can survive single touch from him.

Why he should consider Yuji as potential threat over Nanami? Explain why Mahito not accounting a newbie, no-name with no barrier knowledge to prioritize kill the Grade 1 Sorcerer in front of him is serious mistake of barrier understanding comparable to case of confiscating Komutake over Malevolent Shrine?

Originally Posted by Endscape

Perhaps you should read again.

I'd like to return this assessment to you.

On previous page, Naoya firmly believe he can detect Maki as her Cursed Tool should gave him clue to her whereabouts.
This is not a brand new out of nowhere detection method since Gojo did the same to Toji in Hidden Inventory, using remains of ISOH CE to pinpoint his location, so no doubt for Naoya knowledge.

He concluded Maki died until he realized Sumo and Katana Guy are the one moving all the time, then aware Maki should be alive somewhere inside the domain.

Both implying that Maki is not moving, waiting until the right time. Her first move is a stab with minimal movement.
None of that chain of events indicated flaw of domain understanding from Naoya; Maki outsmarted Naoya, not Naoya is terrible at establishing domain.
Then again, how is this case comparable to confiscation of Kamutoke? Both Naoya and Maki operated under known rules, not suddenly a new rules added and screwed up Naoya.

Originally Posted by Endscape

You're still missing the point. Judgeman works via Higuruma's knowledge of the law.

That was literally what they talked about last chapter.

That's why I said it messed up if that's what lead to Kamutoke confiscation.
I'd like to see if you can find Japan Law textbook with explanation its fair decision to confiscate item with zero ties to proposed case of a serial killer.

What they talked last chapter is not Higuruma mentality may affect the domain.
It is how to ensure Judgeman confiscate Shrine because if they conduct trial as usual then Judgeman will pick one random case that may account Megumi instead since Yuji trial acknowledged Shibuya Massacre as Yuji's fault. Higuruma considered himself a textbook person thus he'd like to know if there's a way to specify "crime done by Sukuna himself using Shrine". Nothing about Cursed Tools ever mentioned.

Originally Posted by Endscape

You're forgetting he got death penalty too.

Which is not a problem compare to Kamutoke confiscation.

Originally Posted by Endscape

She can't create special grade cursed tools. She literally had to do a binding vow that killed herself to make Kamutoke.

Not a special grade cursed tool.

Since when Cursed Tool have to be Special Grade to be acknowledged as Cursed Tools?
Yorozu armor itself technically a Cursed Tools, smh; saying it have to be Special Grade to be acknowledged as Cursed Tools is like saying gun is not firearms because its not the same as missile launcher.

Heck, during Goodwill event, Maki have no issue acknowledging regular polearms and katana that simply imbued with curse energy as Cursed Tools.
Not to mention previous chapter also not even trying to elaborate further if Kamutoke confiscation is because its a Special Grade Cursed Tools, so its clear that the confiscation doesn't care if its Special Grade or not, somehow it got priority over CT used to commit crime and Higuruma somehow unaware of it after magically never met another Cursed Tools user in Culling Game.

Originally Posted by Endscape

Those all came with their techniques.

Doesn't change fact its all Cursed Tools.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Tactics

Since when Cursed Tool have to be Special Grade to be acknowledged as Cursed Tools?
Yorozu armor itself technically a Cursed Tools, smh; saying it have to be Special Grade to be acknowledged as Cursed Tools is like saying gun is not firearms because its not the same as missile launcher.

Heck, during Goodwill event, Maki have no issue acknowledging regular polearms and katana that simply imbued with curse energy as Cursed Tools.
Not to mention previous chapter also not even trying to elaborate further if Kamutoke confiscation is because its a Special Grade Cursed Tools, so its clear that the confiscation doesn't care if its Special Grade or not, somehow it got priority over CT used to commit crime and Higuruma somehow unaware of it after magically never met another Cursed Tools user in Culling Game.


Doesn't change fact its all Cursed Tools.

Not all Cursed Tools are imbued with a Cursed Technique. The only time Cursed Techniques were mentioned, was when they stated that Playful Cloud was "the only special grade cursed tool that was not imbued with a cursed technique", meaning that all other special grade cursed tools are and would be subject to confiscation.

That narration obviously does not include lower grade cursed tools. You mentioned other culling game players having cursed tools, but which ones actually had special grade tools that were imbued with cursed techniques?

[Kanon]

Not sure what to think about "talent comparable to Gojo" given how Gojo ended up

The executioner's sword sounds like the best way of getting Megumi back. I hadn't thought it could work like that, but it makes sense.

[Shadow5YA]

Even if Higuruma becomes a powerhouse, he already said he's fully prepared to die after this, so reader expectations are in a different place compared to Gojo who was made to look like he'd win.

[Tactics]

Spoiler for 247:

- Sukuna taunt Higuruma to do better, using Dismantle to cut his right arm.
- Yuji come to the rescue, only to get slashed before he can help, mocked again by Sukuna as the most boring person on battlefield.
- Higuruma learned RCT in pinch and attack Sukuna with Executioner Sword. He managed to stab one of Sukuna right hand.
- Sukuna cut his wrist a moment before Executioner Sword hit him, consider Higuruma effort as average at best;
- Being so close to Sukuna, Higuruma can't avoid slashes thrown to him. Brief flashback about Higuruma decision.
- Severely injured Higuruma throw waning Executioner Sword to Yuji as he saw him run into Sukuna, reminding Yuji of Nanami last moment.
- Yuji proceed to stab Sukuna from behind with the sword; this is his role as a Jujutsushi

Not that difficult to guess this time.

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Not all Cursed Tools are imbued with a Cursed Technique. The only time Cursed Techniques were mentioned, was when they stated that Playful Cloud was "the only special grade cursed tool that was not imbued with a cursed technique", meaning that all other special grade cursed tools are and would be subject to confiscation.

That narration obviously does not include lower grade cursed tools. You mentioned other culling game players having cursed tools, but which ones actually had special grade tools that were imbued with cursed techniques?

If anyone interested to defend that, only two ways to do it.
First, tell which chapter prior to 245 that mentioned special grade tools with technique take priority over actual technique for Judgeman confiscation.
Second, tell where's Japanese Law that support weapon confiscation without any ties to proposed case and how Higuruma unaware of that since his Domain gimmick is based on his knowledge.

That's the core issue. No need to explain special grade tools have it's own CT except Playful Cloud.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Tactics

If anyone interested to defend that, only two ways to do it.
First, tell which chapter prior to 245 that mentioned special grade tools with technique take priority over actual technique for Judgeman confiscation.

Priority is not necessary.
If the cursed tool has a cursed technique, then that means it's subject to the same rules as any other cursed technique.
All I said was that it's possible, so all I have to prove is that it's a possibility. When they were planning on how to fight Sukuna before Gojo lost, Higuruma stated that confiscating 10 Shadows was a possibility he couldn't rule out either.

If you think a cursed technique found inside the person's body has to take priority over a cursed technique inside an object, then the burden is now on you to prove that.

Originally Posted by Tactics

Second, tell where's Japanese Law that support weapon confiscation without any ties to proposed case and how Higuruma unaware of that since his Domain gimmick is based on his knowledge.

Since you want to go there, carrying weapons is illegal in Japan regardless whether they were used to commit a crime or not. Having the weapon itself is already a crime.

https://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/un/dis...eport0306.html

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Priority is not necessary.
If the cursed tool has a cursed technique, then that means it's subject to the same rules as any other cursed technique.
All I said was that it's possible, so all I have to prove is that it's a possibility.

If you think a cursed technique found inside the person's body has to take priority over a cursed technique inside an object, then the burden is now on you to prove that.

Since you want to go there, carrying weapons is illegal in Japan regardless whether they were used to commit a crime or not. Having the weapon itself is already a crime.

https://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/un/dis...eport0306.html

Unfortunately the burden is still on you if this goes on.

Saying priority is unnecessary means you're disregarding how Judgeman took Yuji's CE because he got no CT.
So when it comes to Kamutoke confiscation, inevitably one have to explain why Judgeman prioritized it over Shrine or 10 Shadows. Sukuna CTs and Kamutoke counted as confiscation target but somehow Kamutoke took priority over both Shrine or 10 Shadows, both which Higuruma himself believed to be more viable target due to crimes Sukuna did with both of it, while Kamutoke not even used to kill Kashimo.

That law page also notify that confiscation goes to stuffs that qualified as firearms or sword, at best mechanical device that drop or eject explosion.
Assuming the thunder counted as explosion under said law, how Kamutoke counted as mechanical device, again? Nothing explained it categorized as mechanical device.
Not to mention that would made Higuruma domain deal weirder if its true. That means the confiscation prioritizing idea that Sukuna is civilian walking with unregistered firearms rather than a serial killer who killed people with Shrine as proposed by the domain owner himself.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Tactics

both which Higuruma himself believed to be more viable target due to crimes Sukuna did with both of it, while Kamutoke not even used to kill Kashimo.

Whether Sukuna used the technique to commit the crime is irrelevant. All Higuruma said was that because Sukuna has more than one cursed technique, he doesn't know which one would be confiscated.

If the use was involved, then 10 Shadows wouldn't have been part of the conversation. Sukuna didn't have 10 Shadows when he massacred Shibuya, so why would Higuruma think it could have a chance of being confiscated at all then?

A coin landing on tails doesn't have to mean it takes priority, nor does it deny the possibility of it landing on heads.

Originally Posted by Tactics

That law page also notify that confiscation goes to stuffs that qualified as firearms or sword, at best mechanical device that drop or eject explosion.
Assuming the thunder counted as explosion under said law, how Kamutoke counted as mechanical device, again? Nothing explained it categorized as mechanical device.
Not to mention that would made Higuruma domain deal weirder if its true. That means the confiscation prioritizing idea that Sukuna is civilian walking with unregistered firearms rather than a serial killer who killed people with Shrine as proposed by the domain owner himself.

You're twisting words now, so I'll just reiterate that weapons are illegal in Japan, period. It doesn't matter whether it's a gun, or a knife, or even something makeshift made.

If you're really trying to say "a mechanical device that drop or eject explosion" doesn't count as a weapon even though you literally could describe a gun the exact same way... well cursed tools don't exist in real life so not like I can either prove or disprove that I guess

[WingedAccelerator]

So the good guys know about Sukuna's flame arrow. Is this fact going to protect Sukuna or he gets the Hanami treatment? Dies without using something we know he has or he survives no matter what till he explains what are those flames?

[Kanon]

There are plenty of ways for him to survive this:

1. He just avoids the attack
2. Gege asspulls a new rule stating that actually, Sukuna can't be killed by the executioner's sword because reasons
3. Sukuna has come up with a countermeasure for the sword after seeing it so many times, like doing the opposite of what the heroes were hoping and making it so Megumi's soul is killed instead

I'm leaning toward 3 for maximum Yuji suffering and because Megumi doesn't really have a role to play in the story anymore.

[Shadow5YA]

Similar to Kenjaku's defeat, I'm so cynical about how privileged the villains are that I'm more surprised whenever the good guys do manage to pull something off.

[Wandering Soul]

Wouldn't Domain amplicarion be a valid way for Sukuna to survive? It's at least a previously established technique that wouldn't be complete bs.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

Wouldn't Domain amplicarion be a valid way for Sukuna to survive? It's at least a previously established technique that wouldn't be complete bs.

I guess that could work. Wouldn't they have taken that into account though? Gojo must have told them about it.

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

Wouldn't Domain amplicarion be a valid way for Sukuna to survive? It's at least a previously established technique that wouldn't be complete bs.

I'd say the problem is not Domain Amplification but the Executioner Sword itself.

What is rules contained within it? Sukuna didn't even need DA if instant kill full effect only applied if the sword is held by Higuruma.
Gege already ruined faith to Judgeman with Kamutoke confiscation, wouldn't be surprised if he did it again for cheap shock; FYI, Japanese readers expected one of two possibilities.
First, the sword nerfed because it used by Yuji (defendant) instead of Higuruma (lawyer, domain owner). Second, the sword didn't work because Japanese laws prohibit death sentence by holidays (this fight chronologically happens in 24 December).

I myself doubt Gege will going as far as telling Sukuna survive using DA because now he have to sell that Sukuna is weak and slow to make their victory believable.
All that modification to dimensional slash after Gojo death (travel time, charge time, might have some kind of binding vow, need chant) felt like he and editor read criticism about how stupid Sukuna to not instantly turned Yuji and his friends into red mist after pre-order for JJK volumes dropped significantly as soon as Gojo death widespread on Twitter.



Also, notice that this fight is inverse of Yuta kills Kenjaku.
Both perform sneak attack to the big boss after 30 y.o men sacrifice themselves, this happen in beginning of tankoubon while Yuta's at the end of tankoubon.
Since Higuruma is drawn as parallel to Nanami, I guess Choso will be the next victim as parallel to Todo.

[Ka-el]

Originally Posted by Tactics

I'd say the problem is not Domain Amplification but the Executioner Sword itself.

What is rules contained within it? Sukuna didn't even need DA if instant kill full effect only applied if the sword is held by Higuruma.
Gege already ruined faith to Judgeman with Kamutoke confiscation, wouldn't be surprised if he did it again for cheap shock; FYI, Japanese readers expected one of two possibilities.
First, the sword nerfed because it used by Yuji (defendant) instead of Higuruma (lawyer, domain owner). Second, the sword didn't work because Japanese laws prohibit death sentence by holidays (this fight chronologically happens in 24 December).

I myself doubt Gege will going as far as telling Sukuna survive using DA because now he have to sell that Sukuna is weak and slow to make their victory believable.
All that modification to dimensional slash after Gojo death (travel time, charge time, might have some kind of binding vow, need chant) felt like he and editor read criticism about how stupid Sukuna to not instantly turned Yuji and his friends into red mist after pre-order for JJK volumes dropped significantly as soon as Gojo death widespread on Twitter.



Also, notice that this fight is inverse of Yuta kills Kenjaku.
Both perform sneak attack to the big boss after 30 y.o men sacrifice themselves, this happen in beginning of tankoubon while Yuta's at the end of tankoubon.
Since Higuruma is drawn as parallel to Nanami, I guess Choso will be the next victim as parallel to Todo.

Well Todo didn't die, so Choso in this case shouldn't, HOWEVER can he survive that attack from Sukuna? Who could heal him? No one on the battlefield from the good guys side can heal others except for Yuta who is not there yet. And who healed Itadori after Sukuna attacked him?

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by Ka-el

Well Todo didn't die, so Choso in this case shouldn't, HOWEVER can he survive that attack from Sukuna? Who could heal him? No one on the battlefield from the good guys side can heal others except for Yuta who is not there yet. And who healed Itadori after Sukuna attacked him?

That depends on how Gege wanted to do it.

This arc advertised in Jump Festa as "Raid Battle Against Ryomen Sukuna" and we saw main idea of this arc is stripped whatever Sukuna got one-by-one (Gojo get rid of MS, 10S and good amount of Sukuna curse energy; Kashimo get rid of his recovery method; Higuruma get rid of his attack options; Hakari get rid of Uraume, I guess) until Yuji catch up to him. Since everyone who did it die, then Choso likely not an exception if he assigned to same task; he could use hardened blood to prolong his presence for moment without RCT.

What's left from Sukuna now are his arms (for handseal), mouth (for chant) and Megumi.
We might saw Ino, Kusakabe and Choso sent to airport thanks to Yuta, Maki and Hakari went somewhere else; after all, Gege said in interview that he thought the ending will be either Yuji alive but everyone (by means of his friends, teacher that close to him, so Yuta group likely not included) die or everyone alive but Yuji died.