Re:Zero - Episode 18 Discussion / Poll

[Applehell]

Originally Posted by Demi.

That was not in her best interest. She plainly said beforehand not to come and he did anyways. He knows nothing about the world and her situation and he continues make choices without Emilias feelings in mind. He's thinking "she needs me" He portrays her more as a damsel in distress than an independent woman fighting for the throne. How many times do you need to be told no, until you realize you need to drop the white knight routine until it's truly needed?

Yet Rem does the exact same thing with Subaru and you her praise for it. Like the time she ignored his wishes to save Emilia and the villagers together and went on her own which is constant flaw with her. Your bias is pretty obvious man.

[Demi.]

Originally Posted by Applehell

Yet Rem does the exact same thing with Subaru and you her praise for it. Like the time she ignored his wishes to save Emilia and the villagers together and went on her own. Your bias is pretty obvious man.

Rem saved Subaru from his own insanity. Rem isn't making her choices to impress Subaru, that's the difference. Subaru is weak, and helpless; if something was truly wrong with the capital, then it's not a place a normal, talent-less human should be.

[moridin84]

@Demi

To summarize your opinions

Rem = Good
Subaru = Bad
Emilia = Bad
Subaru X Emilia = Bad
Subaru X Rem = Good

Is that about right?

[Demi.]

Originally Posted by moridin84

@Demi

To summarize your opinions

Rem = Good
Subaru = Bad
Emilia = Bad
Subaru X Emilia = Bad
Subaru X Rem = Good

Is that about right?

I like Emilia.
Subaru has his ups and downs, mostly downs.
SubaruXEmilia will continue to be stupid and illogical to me from a spectators perspective.

[Applehell]

Originally Posted by Demi.

Rem saved Subaru from his own insanity. Rem isn't making her choices to impress Subaru, that's the difference.

Subaru saved Emilia from dying which had nothing to with impressing her, but as he said back at ep 12 it's all he can do with his ability because he's only useful when he's near her during the time something is happening.

You plainly have double standards here and pretty terrible another person actions and intents to suit you're perffered ship. It's also in an insult to Rem who knows Subaru is good person who doesn't do just his own sake. Rem clearly recongized Subaru cares for Emilia deeply and not just out of self interest.

[DemonneoPT]

Originally Posted by Demi.

Rem saved Subaru from his own insanity. Rem isn't making her choices to impress Subaru, that's the difference. Subaru is weak, and helpless; if something was truly wrong with the capital, then it's not a place a normal, talent-less human should be.

I'm sorry but that's actually the best place for him to be. If something happens in the capital he gains this information in first person with all the details and can do something about it with his Return by Death ability. Or you think facing Elsa or giant monster dogs are places for a normal, talent-less human to be? That was the reason why he wanted to go there just in case Emilia would have to face another life or death situation and also to try and do something important in his life. He was just too arrogant by assuming he could do that all by himself and self-proclaiming Emilia's Knight without even be able to prove/explain his skills to everyone else.

Originally Posted by Demi.

To marry Emilia is the equivalent to marrying into royalty, Rem is a simple maid. What do you think people would think of Emilia if that's who she chooses? He was already aiming too high when he wanted to be her knight and got humiliated in spectacular fashion.

People's opinion about Emilia is already the lowest as it can gets..lol. They are like: "Who Emilia thinks she is for wanting the king's throne? She is just some Half-Elf scum that looks exactly like the evil Witch that consumed half the world some time ago!". I mean, if people can accept Emilia as their Queen despite all the prejudice shown towards her, i really doubt marrying Subaru would be a problem.


EDIT:

Originally Posted by Demi.

SubaruXEmilia will continue to be stupid and illogical to me from a spectators perspective.

You know where the main flaw in you argument is? You want Rem to be with Subaru because she did so much for him, yet Subaru did the same thing towards Emilia and suddenly you disagree with the idea about them being together.

[Applehell]

Originally Posted by DemonneoPT

People's opinion about Emilia is already the lowest as it can gets..lol. They are like: "Who Emilia thinks she is for wanting the king's throne? She is just some Half-Elf scum that looks exactly like the evil Witch that consumed half the world some time ago!". I mean, if people can accept Emilia as their Queen despite all the prejudice shown towards her, i really doubt marrying Subaru would be a problem.

It actually might even some positive effect since the Head Sage praised Subaru for his willingly to support her because sends a message that if there was normal person this loyal or devoted towards Emilia she might not be that bad.

[moridin84]

Originally Posted by Demi.

I like Emilia.
Subaru has his ups and downs, mostly downs.
SubaruXEmilia will continue to be stupid and illogical to me from a spectators perspective.

If Subaru is obsessed with Emilia then it makes sense for him to reject Rem for Emiia. though.

It might not be a healthy relationship it fairly logical for him to act in such a way with that in mind.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by moridin84

If Subaru is obsessed with Emilia then it makes sense for him to reject Rem for Emiia. though.

It might not be a healthy relationship it fairly logical for him to act in such a way with that in mind.

There's no way obsession came into play here. That would have completely ruined this scene. If he can still say he loves Emilia after everything Rem did just now then he must really love her.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by Demi.

Let's not blow the truth out of proportion. The girl didn't want him to interfere with the royal meeting. And don't conveniently forget that they mutually agreed to this.

While I won't say she didn't want him to do it, I don't remember her actually forbidding him from doing so. I assume she just didn't expect him to do it. Either way, the promise was not about keeping him away from the meeting. It was about keeping Subaru from overexerting himself. The fact that he also made an ass of himself on top of that was unexpected.

I'll give you that he broke a promise, but I still do not see any stalkerish behavior.

Originally Posted by DemonneoPT

You know where the main flaw in you argument is? You want Rem to be with Subaru because she did so much for him, yet Subaru did the same thing towards Emilia and suddenly you disagree with the idea about them being together.

Well yeah, but you know how it is. It's okay to be unreasonable when a woman does it to a man.

[Metaneo]

Reading this forum is making me feel like I'm back in high school.

This line of conversation has already been moderated once. Can we stop trying to decipher romance in a fictional setting?

This is going no where fast.

[moridin84]

Originally Posted by bakato

There's no way obsession came into play here. That would have completely ruined this scene. If he can still say he loves Emilia after everything Rem did just now then he must really love her.

I'm trying to see things from Demi's perspective. You won't come to any kind of understanding if both sides simply insist that their own opinions are correct.

In any case, I don't think it's wrong to say that these constant revivals have "supercharged" Subaru's emotions towards Emilia. Though of course, the same is with Subaru's feelings towards Rem. I don't think that his feelings towards Rem now are the same as his feelings towards Rem in the first loop.

Reading this forum is making me feel like I'm back in high school.

This line of conversation has already been moderated once. Can we stop trying to decipher romance in a fictional setting?

This is going no where fast.

This thread is only for episode 18. I think it's best to get this out of people's system here and now rather than keep talking about in later threads.

[HayashiTakara]

Originally Posted by Dengar

While I won't say she didn't want him to do it, I don't remember her actually forbidding him from doing so. I assume she just didn't expect him to do it. Either way, the promise was not about keeping him away from the meeting. It was about keeping Subaru from overexerting himself. The fact that he also made an ass of himself on top of that was unexpected.

I'll give you that he broke a promise, but I still do not see any stalkerish behavior.



Well yeah, but you know how it is. It's okay to be unreasonable when a woman does it to a man.

You're focusing toooooo freaking much on the word stalker. Stalkers stalk because they have an unhealthy obsession with their target. That's what it means by "stalker level" of obsession. Because Subaru does have an unhealthy obsession with Emilia.

She tells him to flat out stay the fuck away and in his head "nah she doesn't mean it, she needs me, she's useless without me" and kept trying to be near her.

That shit ain't healthy man.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Metaneo

Reading this forum is making me feel like I'm back in high school.

This line of conversation has already been moderated once. Can we stop trying to decipher romance in a fictional setting?

This is going no where fast.

Actually, I can think of two subforums that have been slammed in the past because of shipping wars and the resulting character bashing.

EDIT: And know what? The current discussion is bordering on it.

[Draco Spirit]

And now for a different topic!

Anyone notice how little information Subaru has shared about his past? When he mention his shame of his old life, it stood out as a rarity... anyone willing to bet something big might be hiding in there?

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Draco Spirit

And now for a different topic!

Anyone notice how little information Subaru has shared about his past? When he mention his shame of his old life, it stood out as a rarity... anyone willing to bet something big might be hiding in there?

Rarity? It describes all of us.

[HayashiTakara]

Originally Posted by Draco Spirit

And now for a different topic!

Anyone notice how little information Subaru has shared about his past? When he mention his shame of his old life, it stood out as a rarity... anyone willing to bet something big might be hiding in there?

Don't think he's hiding anything, he was just a NEET, that's all there is to it.

[Seafoam]

Originally Posted by Draco Spirit

And now for a different topic!

Anyone notice how little information Subaru has shared about his past? When he mention his shame of his old life, it stood out as a rarity... anyone willing to bet something big might be hiding in there?

I was thinking this a few days ago when I was rewatching the first two episodes. Go look at the difference in his eyes in episode 1 before he gets sent into this fantasy world and his eyes as soon as he gets there. He looked quite depressed before.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

You're focusing toooooo freaking much on the word stalker. Stalkers stalk because they have an unhealthy obsession with their target. That's what it means by "stalker level" of obsession. Because Subaru does have an unhealthy obsession with Emilia.

She tells him to flat out stay the fuck away and in his head "nah she doesn't mean it, she needs me, she's useless without me" and kept trying to be near her.

That shit ain't healthy man.

He wasn't mentally sound anyway. I don't think his alledged 'obsession' had anything to do with anything.

[erneiz_hyde]

I just find it funny only now people are losing their shit over those who think Subaru is a stalker. The episode when Emilia rejected Subaru, practically everyone was shouting stalker and nobody batted an eye then.