Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Predictions for Beyond the Current Volume

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

So Mental Interference magic doesn't consume Pushions, I see. But I wonder why Miyuki was so tired in vol 11 then? The PIB was big but she used Cocytus on 16 persons without problems or maybe her precedent attacks had consumed too much of her Psion Count?

I wouldn't say that she was too tired from using Cocytus.

According to this description of that scene from volume 11, chapter 17:

Spoiler for Volume 11, chapter 17:

Actually, Miyuki was in a similar state.

Half lost in ecstasy, she was still firmly held in Tatsuya's embrace. In addition to that she had gone all out with her magic for the first time in a while, as well as having seen the world through Tatsuya's eyes; she was likely still drunk with it all.

The two who were previously in a bad mood were now in a state of chaos; this was a chance. Tatsuya took the communication unit from his ear and switched it off.

I would say that it was a effect of more then a few emotional states going on at the same time, which overall combined into a state similar to a state where you drink too much.

Basically, using Cocytus in combination with seeing the world through Tatsuya's eyes + having Tatsuya embrace her, caused a Miyuki overload

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by SoboSobo

i know that. Gd is a counter magic that's just a condense mass of psions that explode on impact to blow away the activation or magic sequence.

Off course it didn`t work on tomitsuka contact type GD because GD is not a spell it has no activation or magic sequence so there's nothing to blow away.

And he used far strike then because tomitsuka armor was gone,because he used that self marionette magic the formless armor he had before took a form that had a design and he used Gram Dispersal on that to blow it away then used Far Stike to knock him out.

Spoiler for volume 12 chapter 16:

Tomitsuka’s entire body had been covered by a single Magic Sequence. It was an exceedingly complex Magic Sequence that even a high-class Magician would be hard pressed to recreate. Maybe it was because he didn’t want them to interfere with the Magic Sequence, but the disorderly psions that surrounded his body were now neat and orderly, recreating an untouchable Eidos that only suffered Self Marionette to pass.

The disorderly chaos had transformed into an orderly world.

Order was both form and design.

Tatsuya’s “Decomposition” could destroy designs. Although he was unable to destroy formless objects, he could deconstruct anything with a form even if it was the Eidos.

The formless cloud of psions wrapped around Tomitsuka now had a form created by Tomitsuka’s own magic.

Through “Elemental Sight”, Tatsuya understood this immediately. He also saw that this was an incredibly opportune moment for victory.

Tatsuya directed psions into his CAD. He was not pretending to use his CAD but actually using the CAD for Decomposition Magic. The magic he chose was “Gram Dispersal”.

Tatsuya pulled the trigger.

With the form in hand, Tatsuya’s magic that destroyed information shredded Tomitsuka’s armor.

The exposed fighting marionette closed in on Tatsuya.

Tatsuya held a concentrated block of psions in his left hand.

The solid block was so sturdy that it could have broken through Tomitsuka’s armor even if it had recovered.

This was not hiding his strength, but to achieve victory. Rather than choosing the magic he was most comfortable with but which still might be blocked by the incomplete armor, Tatsuya chose the magic bullet that would definitely pierce through the incomplete armor.

Designed and honed to clash against inhuman objects, the high pressure, high penetration Far Strike named “Penetrating Magic Shell” (by Yakumo) shot from Tatsuya’s hand and pierced through the fighting marionette named Tomitsuka.

I already knew that Far Strike beat Self Marionette, I brought it up in the first place.

I guess I just misinterpreted your reply to Echizen, since he said "GD isn't a magic which can be beaten like that" and then you brought up Far Strike, as if it could be beaten with Far strike.

My bad. Still, shouldn't this conversation and everyone taking part in it jump over to the Character Power's thread? We're officially not not making predictions for beyond the current volume anymore.

[@GEMC]

It would be good if the author would make a volume during the time tatsuya haven't met miyuki. There are still mysteries in tatsuya's background from what I could see

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by @GEMC

It would be good if the author would make a volume during the time tatsuya haven't met miyuki. There are still mysteries in tatsuya's background from what I could see

If there are some mysteries surrounding Tatsuya's background then they will probably revealed once we get more hints about Maya's plans regarding Tatsuya and Miyuki, which ... in my opinion, haven't been completely revealed.

But, since this secret might also bring some change to Tatsuya's and Miyuki's relation ... it will most likely be revealed after the whole plot point related to Zhou and the Black Sage is resolved.

[Rava]

Well, about that Yotsuba's sin thing...

Short of presenting new material, we've got several existing things about Tatsuya that are already possible.

1. His Artificial Calculation Area -- This only exists because of Mental Interference Magic. Since Miya was the source, it obviously can't be duplicated right now, but it's still human experimentation, a known taboo that can cause a family to lose its number (see: Ichihana family).

2. Flash Cast -- As a practitioner of this casting method, he's going to get some flack about it because it's a technique that's considered "too unethical for even the miltary to adopt."

3. His BS magic -- Even without the other abilities, Tatsuya personifies the living weapon that Magicians are viewed as. However, they didn't consider him a Magician, and after watching Ep 5 and looking over volume 1, I think his resentment about being made a Magician indicates that he didn't actually go willingly to the Artificial Calculation Area experiment table.

I'm thinking all of those put together could collectively be the "Yotsuba's Sin" and the mention itself sounds like foreshadowing that this is all going to get out in the open at some point, maybe in Year 3.

[SoboSobo]

Originally Posted by Rava

Well, about that Yotsuba's sin thing...

Short of presenting new material, we've got several existing things about Tatsuya that are already possible.

1. His Artificial Calculation Area -- This only exists because of Mental Interference Magic. Since Miya was the source, it obviously can't be duplicated right now, but it's still human experimentation, a known taboo that can cause a family to lose its number (see: Ichihana family).

2. Flash Cast -- As a practitioner of this casting method, he's going to get some flack about it because it's a technique that's considered "too unethical for even the miltary to adopt."

3. His BS magic -- Even without the other abilities, Tatsuya personifies the living weapon that Magicians are viewed as. However, they didn't consider him a Magician, and after watching Ep 5 and looking over volume 1, I think his resentment about being made a Magician indicates that he didn't actually go willingly to the Artificial Calculation Area experiment table.

I'm thinking all of those put together could collectively be the "Yotsuba's Sin" and the mention itself sounds like foreshadowing that this is all going to get out in the open at some point, maybe in Year 3.

1 - not really kudou family made minaru as an experiment and didn`t lose their number. I think ichihana lost thier number because of the magic they used, that human body manipulation. It was considered to barbaric and to disgusting even by the rest of magicians.
2- Flash cast on itself is not something awful. but the method used to store the activation sequences in to the user mind was deemed "too unethical for even the miltary to adopt."
3- pretty much its true
But over all, because of the human experiment(1), his side effects from it (this includes being very proficient in flash cast, among other things)(2) and because of his innate magic (3) i agree with you, this could be the "yotsuba sin" mitsugu talks about.
But again this could be mitsugu's personal opinion, we never seen maya refer to him as the "sin", refer to him as a monster(in a metaphoric way, because of his tremendous power ) yes, but she never said anything like a sin or and existence that should've never existed or anything like that. Actually only mitsugu expressed that opinion about him from the yotsuba members we seen so far.

Actually is very confusing, opinions about tatsuya re all over the place inside the yotsuba, Maya certainly recognizes his power as a magician and she also doesn`t really treat him differently from the rest of the yotsuba, kuroba twins definitely see him as a great magician and respect and treat him like a normal human, hayama thinks he is one of the best magicians his seen in his life, mitsugu subordinates respects him and addresses him with honorifics, but on the other hand aoki treats him like a "fake magicians" with all the bells and whistles and mitsugu thinks his the greatest sin the clan has committed.


New topic:
I just thought of something, next volume Ancient City Insurrection i think is gonna take place in kyoto, during the Thesis Competition. We know the competition is either held in yokohama or kyoto because in this city's The magic association have branches.
I think the black sage and his lapdog Zhou along side their underlings will attack the competition again only this time yotsuba will be directly involved in the conflict and i also think some of tatsuya secrets are gonna come out during this battle, like his decomposition and his yotsuba connection.

[Rava]

Originally Posted by SoboSobo

1 - not really kudou family made minaru as an experiment and didn`t lose their number. I think ichihana lost thier number because of the magic they used, that human body manipulation. It was considered to barbaric and to disgusting even by the rest of magicians.

Minoru is a test tube baby. Cloning/creating an artificial life form isn't considered the same thing as human experimentation in the series (or having the Sakurai series itself would be an abomination), although using genes from related people does add to the squick factor. Human experimentation as a taboo is referring to experimenting on live humans.

Originally Posted by SoboSobo

2- Flash cast on itself is not something awful. but the method used to store the activation sequences in to the user mind was deemed "too unethical for even the miltary to adopt."

That's more like trying to justify it by splitting hairs. You can't Flash Cast if you have nothing there. That makes the storage a necessary part of the Flash Cast technique. It effectively turns your brain into a CAD, and the method of storing and casting using the stored information is what Flash Cast is, just like how CADs require you to load in Activation Sequences.

Originally Posted by SoboSobo

3- pretty much its true
But over all, because of the human experiment(1), his side effects from it (this includes being very proficient in flash cast, among other things)(2) and because of his innate magic (3) i agree with you, this could be the "yotsuba sin" mitsugu talks about.
But again this could be mitsugu's personal opinion, we never seen maya refer to him as the "sin", refer to him as a monster(in a metaphoric way, because of his tremendous power ) yes, but she never said anything like a sin or and existence that should've never existed or anything like that. Actually only mitsugu expressed that opinion about him from the yotsuba members we seen so far.

Actually is very confusing, opinions about tatsuya re all over the place inside the yotsuba, Maya certainly recognizes his power as a magician and she also doesn`t really treat him differently from the rest of the yotsuba, kuroba twins definitely see him as a great magician and respect and treat him like a normal human, hayama thinks he is one of the best magicians his seen in his life, mitsugu subordinates respects him and addresses him with honorifics, but on the other hand aoki treats him like a "fake magicians" with all the bells and whistles and mitsugu thinks his the greatest sin the clan has committed.

It could be. I would say that Mitsugu, Maya and Hayama have the most important opinions here (not necessarily in that order) though, as they are the most likely to have the most complete information.

[SoboSobo]

Originally Posted by Rava

That's more like trying to justify it by splitting hairs. You can't Flash Cast if you have nothing there. That makes the storage a necessary part of the Flash Cast technique. It effectively turns your brain into a CAD, and the method of storing and casting using the stored information is what Flash Cast is, just like how CADs require you to load in Activation Sequences.

you are right that i'm splitting hairs here, but the way the author explains the flash cast is splitting hairs to, because he refers to how to store the activation sequence in the users brain to be unethical not the flash cast technique itself even through storage and technique together gives the user the ability to use flash cast.

Originally Posted by Rava

It could be. I would say that Mitsugu, Maya and Hayama have the most important opinions here (not necessarily in that order) though, as they are the most likely to have the most complete information.

Man i was just making a theory before, but the theory is incomplete because we don`t know the whole yotsuba clan, unless we see the rest of the members of the yotsuba or get some confirmation that the yotsuba and kuroba families are the only two families in the clan my argument is incomplete.

[Diocar]

Actually what If you are overthinking things? What If this sin talk is related to the way he casts his sistematic magic. I don t think it is normal that he can cast directly magic sequences for simple magics... And the only information we have about his limitations regarding this is when he is telling a lie in the first vol. Maybe when he is unsealed this ability increases for example

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by Diocar

Actually what If you are overthinking things? What If this sin talk is related to the way he casts his sistematic magic. I don t think it is normal that he can cast directly magic sequences for simple magics... And the only information we have about his limitations regarding this is when he is telling a lie in the first vol. Maybe when he is unsealed this ability increases for example

I think a lot of the "Yotsuba's Sin" relies directly on your opinion of Mitsugu.

For example, if you think of Mitsugu as a supremely unreasonable fellow who would rather lose an arm than get help from Tatsuya, than as Rava said, it could be one of these 3 things.

1. His Artificial Calculation Area -- This only exists because of Mental Interference Magic. Since Miya was the source, it obviously can't be duplicated right now, but it's still human experimentation, a known taboo that can cause a family to lose its number (see: Ichihana family).

2. Flash Cast -- As a practitioner of this casting method, he's going to get some flack about it because it's a technique that's considered "too unethical for even the miltary to adopt."

3. His BS magic -- Even without the other abilities, Tatsuya personifies the living weapon that Magicians are viewed as. However, they didn't consider him a Magician, and after watching Ep 5 and looking over volume 1, I think his resentment about being made a Magician indicates that he didn't actually go willingly to the Artificial Calculation Area experiment table.

Credits to Rava

But these 3 aspects of him are already known by others in the Yotsuba, as well as the 101 Magic Batallion, and knowing these a lot of people treat Tatsuya as a tool to be used, or a subhuman. Those people think of Tatsuya as a guardian who should know his place and not speak out of turn. Other's treat him reasonably, or even respect him as a person or an authority figure. The government is willing to deploy him for missions, as well as deploy Material Burst. A lot of tatsuya's military colleagues show respect and admiration for his abilities, such as Flash Cast and Regrowth. Mitsugu is the only one who see's him as a monster who should be caged. So, if Mitsugu is just an unreasonable person, it's not that surprising he'd judge more harshly.

But Mitsugu is also the Kuroba head of Yotsuba intelligence. It could be argued, a certain amount of level headedness is required for that Job. He's also described as being a Yotsuba to the very marrow of his bones, meaning there's probably not a lot that should rile him so much.

So it's entirely possible, the Yotsuba Sin could be something we don't know yet. How you interpret it entirely depends on how you view Mitsugu himself. At least, that's what I think.

[Echizen777]

The 101 doesn't want to hide Flash Cast. Only the Yotsuba want that because it is one of their secret techniques. I wonder how the thought controlled CAD will impact the standards, I have the impression they will reach FC comparable speed. A technique similar to Flash Cast called Spiritualisation also exists.

[hakazee]

I wonder why Maya never give orders to Miyuki ? Maya give orders to Fumiya, Ayako, and Tatsuya. But looks like Miyuki didn't do anything like that.
Or maybe Miyuki can't do anything if she's not with Tatsuya ?

[Rava]

Originally Posted by hakazee

I wonder why Maya never give orders to Miyuki ? Maya give orders to Fumiya, Ayako, and Tatsuya. But looks like Miyuki didn't do anything like that.
Or maybe Miyuki can't do anything if she's not with Tatsuya ?

Maya doesn't give orders to Miyuki because she gives suggestions that Miyuki treats as orders. Prime example, suggesting that they visit after Yokohama.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by Rava

Maya doesn't give orders to Miyuki because she gives suggestions that Miyuki treats as orders. Prime example, suggesting that they visit after Yokohama.

That means Miyuki is not competent combatant like Fumiya, Ayako, and Tatsuya.
I think that's not fair if only Fumiya and Ayako do the dirty job.

[Delftear]

Originally Posted by hakazee

That means Miyuki is not competent combatant like Fumiya, Ayako, and Tatsuya.
I think that's not fair if only Fumiya and Ayako do the dirty job.

Have to admit with Minami now in the picture I was hoping we might get to see Miyuki handle something on her own. Granted, Maya has already said Miyuki must be heir because of Tatsuya, but it would be nice to see her shine on her own for once. We have seen Fumiya and Ayako able to handle missions and intelligence gathering, while the most Miyuki does is make coffee.

Even during the Yokohoma invasion she pretty much just followed orders. Would have been nice to see her step up and take some initiative. Sure she is a powerful mage but where are the leadership skills. Given her character development naming her heir is just semantics. Might as well name Tatsuya heir as he would be doing everything anyway.

[Ophis]

I'm pretty sure that one of the reasons that Maya does not order Miyuki to do dirty and dangerous jobs is because of Tatsuya. I mean, there's no way he would let Miyuki face danger and if she gets hurt or die in doing so, you guys can already imagine the result, right?

[Kyuusaisha]

Originally Posted by Delftear

Have to admit with Minami now in the picture I was hoping we might get to see Miyuki handle something on her own. Granted, Maya has already said Miyuki must be heir because of Tatsuya, but it would be nice to see her shine on her own for once. We have seen Fumiya and Ayako able to handle missions and intelligence gathering, while the most Miyuki does is make coffee.

Even during the Yokohoma invasion she pretty much just followed orders. Would have been nice to see her step up and take some initiative. Sure she is a powerful mage but where are the leadership skills. Given her character development naming her heir is just semantics. Might as well name Tatsuya heir as he would be doing everything anyway.

I don't think Tatsuya would allow her to do the kind of dirty work that I assume the assignments would end up being. I still believe she's plenty capable of being "ruthless" and "in control" when she needs to be. Wasn't this part of her dilemma in volume 11 where she had some issues with not wanting to be seen as too "smart" or too "stupid and had to thread a middle ground.

[kazakiri]

Originally Posted by Ophis

I'm pretty sure that one of the reasons that Maya does not order Miyuki to do dirty and dangerous jobs is because of Tatsuya. I mean, there's no way he would let Miyuki face danger and if she gets hurt or die in doing so, you guys can already imagine the result, right?

"Indeed, they could not destroy the world that Miyuki lived in. Though there was no need for Hayama’s extra reminder, Tatsuya accepted the comment without resistance. "

or something like that I suppose... Also giving Miyuki dangerous jobs is just screaming that she's a member of the Yotsuba.

As Hayama puts it:

"Still, we are also aware that Tatsuya-dono has not done anything worthy of blame. Although protecting one of the candidates for the next head of house, Miyuki-dono, is your mission, you are definitely not the only one assigned to this task. Even if she is not yet by Maya-sama’s side, it is far too early for the other families to be aware of Miyuki-dono’s position. Of course, given that this is Koichi-sama, he may already have caught on……"

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by kazakiri

"Indeed, they could not destroy the world that Miyuki lived in. Though there was no need for Hayama’s extra reminder, Tatsuya accepted the comment without resistance. "

or something like that I suppose... Also giving Miyuki dangerous jobs is just screaming that she's a member of the Yotsuba.

As Hayama puts it:

Yet giving a job to Fumiya and Ayako is okay ? They're fourth high now. They're the best new comer.

That just means Miyuki is not competent at all.
You should compare Miyuki with another heir candidate Fumiya.

[IceHism]

Originally Posted by hakazee

Yet giving a job to Fumiya and Ayako is okay ? They're fourth high now. They're the best new comer.

That just means Miyuki is not competent at all.
You should compare Miyuki with another heir candidate Fumiya.

I don't think you understand. It's stated right in the book. Fumiya or Ayako can't become the heir because of Maya and Miyuki. Because of that, keeping their status is not as important as keeping Miyuki's. Either way, why send Miyuki when Tatsuya will get the job done much better?

Not like it matters, Yotsuba have time and time again has proved that they can keep someone's identity a secret if they wanted to. There's not really a point to worry or to start playing the blame game.