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Yu Ominae · 2020-03-21, 03:37

I was able to find the full Trump press conference where he went ballistic on Peter Alexander when he was asked how he can reassure Americans of their health.

ganbaru · 2020-03-21, 04:09

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Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

I can promise you that politics is the last thing on our minds as we do our jobs.

Given ow much work than there to be done, the countrary would be surprising.

In a world than worked right, we would have to worry only about stopping the virus and keeping the economy alive, but given than many of the decisions than have to be made will be done by partisans (if not worse) politicians, politic will impact the responses to the epidemic and the economic crisis

Toukairin · 2020-03-21, 04:14

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Originally Posted by Yu Ominae

I was able to find the full Trump press conference where he went ballistic on Peter Alexander when he was asked how he can reassure Americans of their health.

George W. Bush got shoes thrown at him by a frustrated Iraqi journalist. With Trump's behavior, POTUS deserved more than just shoes in the face.

I think I would speak for many scared and frustrated people if I post this clip as my reaction to Trump's behavior.

YouTube

https://youtu.be/uhJyPTEMHr8

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MeoTwister5 · 2020-03-21, 05:02

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Originally Posted by ganbaru

Given ow much work than there to be done, the countrary would be surprising.

In a world than worked right, we would have to worry only about stopping the virus and keeping the economy alive, but given than many of the decisions than have to be made will be done by partisans (if not worse) politicians, politic will impact the responses to the epidemic and the economic crisis

Maybe I'm just an idealist that perhaps a virus that doesn't pick its targets based on political affiliation would spur people to put down partisan politics for a few weeks to get shit done.

Magin · 2020-03-21, 05:58

As long as people an find someone to blame, there will never be a non-partisan issue, especially with Trump as America's leader. So thousands of people will die? I'm sure there's a group of people out there going "Good, they deserved it for being a *political affiliation*"

Plus, this is the internet- the blame game only gets magnified online.

Eisdrache · 2020-03-21, 06:50

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Originally Posted by Key Board

Saying the public should not talk about public health policies during a pandemic is like saying "don't talk about firearm policies" after a mass shooting

He's saying that this is not the time to be bickering about political benefits for either side. The fact that this thread spends more time bickering about how badly Trump has handled this crisis than actual ideas/initiatives to solve it is all the proof you need how degenerate this discussion has become.

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Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

Maybe I'm just an idealist that perhaps a virus that doesn't pick its targets based on political affiliation would spur people to put down partisan politics for a few weeks to get shit done.

The world needs more idealists.

SeijiSensei · 2020-03-21, 07:21

I was no fan of George W. Bush, but his reaction to 9/11 was far superior to Trump's response to COVID-19 in practically every way. He didn't attack Democrats (Trump called the governor of Washington state a "snake") or bash the media. He encouraged a bipartisan response to the crisis and didn't worry about the effects of the attack on the stock markets.

Presidents often see a "rally-round-the-flag" boost in their approval ratings in times of crisis. W. benefited the most from this phenomenon, as his ratings shot up to the low nineties after the attack. Donald Trump's approval rating has increased over the past couple of months as well, but only from around 42% to 43%. Three years of snarling at his political opponents and the press, along with the over 15,000 lies he has spoken, makes it impossible for him to get the same kind of reaction as Bush did.

Key Board · 2020-03-21, 07:23

We already know the solution

We need more medical supplies, and we need more infrastructures producing them.
Mobilizing the army to build temporary hospital to mitigate surge demands will help.
Nationalizing companies like Tesla to build ventilators would help even more.

We also need to do a lot more testing. We're lagging behind because for some reason the US rejected the WHO protocol and opted to make their own, which failed. And we don't have enough equipment, don't have enough people and don't have enough capacity"
"The truth is... we've under-invested in the public health labs." - CDC Director Robert Redfield

We also need people to stay home, but many can't do that because they need an income.
Mandatory paid leave would solve this, but the current incarnation of the bill is not enough.
You need a lot more than $1000 if you're going to spend the next months trying to flatten the curve at home.

There will be politician who look at these things and go, "no way I'm voting for that"
Everyone agrees something must be done, but they don't agree on the specifics.

That's why the bickering continues

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MeoTwister5 · 2020-03-21, 07:49

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Originally Posted by Eisdrache

He's saying that this is not the time to be bickering about political benefits for either side. The fact that this thread spends more time bickering about how badly Trump has handled this crisis than actual ideas/initiatives to solve it is all the proof you need how degenerate this discussion has become.

The world needs more idealists.

And there's going to be even less of us if we don't get our supplies. For me and some of my batch mates, getting COVID-19 from our patients isn't a matter of if, but a matter when.

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Originally Posted by Key Board

We already know the solution

We need more medical supplies, and we need more infrastructures producing them.
Mobilizing the army to build temporary hospital to mitigate surge demands will help.
Nationalizing companies like Tesla to build ventilators would help even more.

We also need to do a lot more testing. We're lagging behind because for some reason the US rejected the WHO protocol and opted to make their own, which failed. And we don't have enough equipment, don't have enough people and don't have enough capacity"
"The truth is... we've under-invested in the public health labs." - CDC Director Robert Redfield

We also need people to stay home, but many can't do that because they need an income.
Mandatory paid leave would solve this, but the current incarnation of the bill is not enough.
You need a lot more than $1000 if you're going to spend the next months trying to flatten the curve at home.

There will be politician who look at these things and go, "no way I'm voting for that"
Everyone agrees something must be done, but they don't agree on the specifics.

That's why the bickering continues

//

The fact that there's still even apparently college students YOLOing in Florida on spring break doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that Americans are taking this seriously.

Psyco Diver · 2020-03-21, 08:33

I keep seeing "mobilizing other industries", do you all understand just saying it does nothing, it takes months to retool a factory no to mention retrain workers. Look at WWII for a prime example, it took almost a year for factories to switch over to the war effort and took another year to generate enough supplies.

For company's to switch to making medical supplies in sufficient quantities would probably take a year and a half to 2 years

Sheba · 2020-03-21, 09:11

One of the employees at my workplace was tested positive. While its someone i never met, who knows who else she contacted.

@Meow

French ppl arent better, I have seen a lot crying over the confinement for deprived of their social life, and some going as far as getting out "to enjoy some sun"

Magin · 2020-03-21, 09:14

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Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

The fact that there's still even apparently college students YOLOing in Florida on spring break doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that Americans are taking this seriously.

In an attempt to not be so cynical... there's a lot of both. But it's only the dumb ones who make the news. These are the ones who go, "If it's not happening to me, it's not a problem". I do know of a lot of people who are taking this seriously at least.

Plus, we have the issues of just how much involvement people want the government to have in this case. The $1000 to every citizen is a fantastic example- both sides are having ideological meltdowns over it (I think it was this thread that showed the two buttons comic, and i believe it's completely accurate).

ramlaen · 2020-03-21, 09:36

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Originally Posted by Yu Ominae

I was able to find the full Trump press conference where he went ballistic on Peter Alexander when he was asked how he can reassure Americans of their health.

Thank you for posting a video that shows both questions and not just the second, Alexander is dishonest about the exchange in his statement defending his behavior.

Yu Ominae · 2020-03-21, 09:47

Strange. I thought it wasn't the case.

**monir** · 2020-03-21, 10:04

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Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

Maybe I'm just an idealist that perhaps a virus that doesn't pick its targets based on political affiliation would spur people to put down partisan politics for a few weeks to get shit done.

hahahahaha

I laughed at you.

Sorry!!

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Originally Posted by ramlaen

Thank you for posting a video that shows both questions and not just the second, Alexander is dishonest about the exchange in his statement defending his behavior.

YouTube

https://youtu.be/xmqsSJsqm1s

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Can you please put some positive spin to this too? I don't want anyone face-palming after my president speaks.

Anh_Minh · 2020-03-21, 10:18

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Originally Posted by ganbaru

Given ow much work than there to be done, the countrary would be surprising.

In a world than worked right, we would have to worry only about stopping the virus and keeping the economy alive, but given than many of the decisions than have to be made will be done by partisans (if not worse) politicians, politic will impact the responses to the epidemic and the economic crisis

Exactly. Some political decisions have to be made. They technically don't have to be made in a climate of partisan chicanery, but they're still political, and guided by ideology as much as anything.

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Originally Posted by Key Board

We also need people to stay home, but many can't do that because they need an income.
Mandatory paid leave would solve this, but the current incarnation of the bill is not enough.
You need a lot more than $1000 if you're going to spend the next months trying to flatten the curve at home.

You need people to stay home... but you also need people to go out and make the economy turn. And those are just two of the many, many contradictory needs you have.

(Another example: you need people to do as they're told... but you also need them to not feel like they're under a dictatorship. Unless you're already a dictatorship, in which case it's not a problem.)

ramlaen · 2020-03-21, 10:22

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Originally Posted by monir

Can you please put some positive spin to this too? I don't want anyone face-palming after my president speaks.

That is certainly one way to interpret rubbing your brow and then resting your hand on your neck, what flavor of spin would you like to counter yours?

**monir** · 2020-03-21, 10:29

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Originally Posted by ramlaen

That is certainly one way to interpret rubbing your brow and then resting your hand on your neck,

Masterful. Thank you!!!

My spin is that our president is a stand-up comedian, especially when comedy is hard to come by these days. They are throwing stats like as many as million infected in NY by the middle of April. And 5-10 million jobs lost in that same duration. I need the laugh.

The Green One · 2020-03-21, 11:55

So I wonder who's going to get thrown under the bus when this is all over. People are going to want someone to blame for the deaths.

mangamuscle · 2020-03-21, 12:33

Guide to the new normal in a pandemic.

1. Social distancing. Most of us are not billionaries who no doubt are already living in a private island, but we can do an effort to be at least 2 meters from other people outside our household.

2. Take as much sunglight as posible. The human skin needs ultraviolet light to produce vitamin D which helps fight infections.

3. Don't be Zinc deficient. You will need it to fight covid-19 specifically.

4. Set your blu-ray, android, etc. box to 720p or less. Streaming can keeps us from thinking about the pandemic, but the internet might break down, in europe the principal streaming services are already limiting the badnwidth of videos, but who knows if common sense will prevail everywhere and internet infrastructure varies depending on where you live.

5. Frugality is your friend. The economy is going down the dumps, it is time to start cooking at home instead of buying already made unhealthy food.

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Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	We already know the solution We need more medical supplies, and we need more infrastructures producing them. Mobilizing the army to build temporary hospital to mitigate surge demands will help. Nationalizing companies like Tesla to build ventilators would help even more. We also need to do a lot more testing. We're lagging behind because for some reason the US rejected the WHO protocol and opted to make their own, which failed. And we don't have enough equipment, don't have enough people and don't have enough capacity" "The truth is... we've under-invested in the public health labs." - CDC Director Robert Redfield We also need people to stay home, but many can't do that because they need an income. Mandatory paid leave would solve this, but the current incarnation of the bill is not enough. You need a lot more than $1000 if you're going to spend the next months trying to flatten the curve at home. There will be politician who look at these things and go, "no way I'm voting for that" Everyone agrees something must be done, but they don't agree on the specifics. That's why the bickering continues // __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

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Sheba RUN, YOU FOOLS! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost Age: 44	One of the employees at my workplace was tested positive. While its someone i never met, who knows who else she contacted. @Meow French ppl arent better, I have seen a lot crying over the confinement for deprived of their social life, and some going as far as getting out "to enjoy some sun" __________________

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Psyco Diver Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2014	I keep seeing "mobilizing other industries", do you all understand just saying it does nothing, it takes months to retool a factory no to mention retrain workers. Look at WWII for a prime example, it took almost a year for factories to switch over to the war effort and took another year to generate enough supplies. For company's to switch to making medical supplies in sufficient quantities would probably take a year and a half to 2 years

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mangamuscle formerly ogon bat Join Date: May 2011 Location: Mexico Age: 53	Guide to the new normal in a pandemic. 1. Social distancing. Most of us are not billionaries who no doubt are already living in a private island, but we can do an effort to be at least 2 meters from other people outside our household. 2. Take as much sunglight as posible. The human skin needs ultraviolet light to produce vitamin D which helps fight infections. 3. Don't be Zinc deficient. You will need it to fight covid-19 specifically. 4. Set your blu-ray, android, etc. box to 720p or less. Streaming can keeps us from thinking about the pandemic, but the internet might break down, in europe the principal streaming services are already limiting the badnwidth of videos, but who knows if common sense will prevail everywhere and internet infrastructure varies depending on where you live. 5. Frugality is your friend. The economy is going down the dumps, it is time to start cooking at home instead of buying already made unhealthy food.