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Lucidrago · 2018-05-20, 01:32

And you think that Ishibumi's story progressing naturally isn't according to his whims and desires?

XFire · 2018-05-20, 01:53

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Originally Posted by Lucidrago

And you think that Ishibumi's story progressing naturally isn't according to his whims and desires?

I think it's proceeding according to his plan for the series. "Whims" is not an appropriate word for anything with an underlying structure. He's mentioned more than once that he's changed things he wanted to do to fit inside the guidelines of the story, it's not like he just throws in everything he wants willy-nilly.

Does the Rias/Vali battle really bother you that much? You've been sniping at Ishi ever since it was translated.

Blazor 98 · 2018-05-20, 03:44

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Originally Posted by syzorst

Anyone notice Rias practically made it to the top 16 without Strada and Crom?

The reason for that it simple. She's just been lucky due to her match ups in the tournament. Besides her match with Vali, she's been up against weak teams that presented no challenge to her team. Sure, Crom practically soloed that Ultimate Class Devil team in Vol 23 but Rias team could've won that without Crom. Compare her matches to her peers. Sona faced a god team and Issei's team and lost both and Seekvaira was up against a God Team in her first match. Sona and Seekvaira were unlucky to run into such OP teams.

Look at Issei's match up. He faced Baraqiel team (strongest Fallen Angel and general), Dulio team (one of the youths who had Rudiger as a coach), and Typhon's team (one of the strongest God teams in the tournament). Issei had the most unfortunate match ups among his peers but still lost only a single match and made it to the top 16. Rias has just been lucky because she didn't face any God teams and only faced one the youths as the last match of her time in the preliminaries and even though she lost she still was going to make the top 16 anyway due to she already had enough points from dominating her past matches.

Blazor 98 · 2018-05-20, 06:16

Just notice something since Vol 24. With Koneko's evolution against Kuroka, she is now stronger than Rias. So let's see, Issei, Kiba, Gasper, Roseweisse, Xenovia, and now Koneko are all stronger than Rias. Akeno is the only one left that's hasn't become stronger but can rival her and those 2 started off in the series as the strongest but now are the weakest. Not counting Asia because she's not a combatant but her BxB speaks for itself.

syzorst · 2018-05-20, 06:20

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Originally Posted by Blazor 98

Just notice something since Vol 24. With Koneko's evolution against Kuroka, she is now stronger than Rias. So let's see, Issei, Kiba, Gasper, Roseweisse, Xenovia, and now Koneko are all stronger than Rias. Akeno is the only one left that's hasn't become stronger but can rival her and those 2 started off in the series as the strongest but now are the weakest. Not counting Asia because she's not a combatant but her BxB speaks for itself.

Yeah, on one hand It's kind of sad that the king is one of the weakest in the peerage but on the other hand It's something Rias can be proud of that all her servants became strong as surpassed her.

DragonOsman · 2018-05-20, 07:30

Rias trained them or introduced them to people and/or environments where they could train and get stronger, and made them stronger herself in part, so yes, of course she has reason to be proud that they became so strong. Ise helped with Gasper, Koneko and Akeno, but she did still bring out their potential and make them stronger. Though Ise's potential still hasn't been fully brought out yet.

And in a way, since she reincarnated them, their achievements can also be considered her own. And among them, the one with the most outstanding achievements is Ise, who in the Volume 22 or 23 preview was called her pride.

syzorst · 2018-05-20, 07:46

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Originally Posted by DragonOsman

Rias trained them or introduced them to people and/or environments where they could train and get stronger, and made them stronger herself in part, so yes, of course she has reason to be proud that they became so strong. Ise helped with Gasper, Koneko and Akeno, but she did still bring out their potential and make them stronger. Though Ise's potential still hasn't been fully brought out yet.

And in a way, since she reincarnated them, their achievements can also be considered her own. And among them, the one with the most outstanding achievements is Ise, who in the Volume 22 or 23 preview was called her pride.

Well, Rias did train them at first but really it was Azazel who had introduced them to people to train them and the environments to train them in and then Sun Wukong trained them from there.

DragonOsman · 2018-05-20, 08:13

The First Gen. Sun Wukong is training all of Team DxD, including Rias. But yeah.

Who was it that got him to train with Tannin on the mountains? Was that also Azazel? I don't remember that well since it's been a while.

TheWu8128 · 2018-05-20, 08:29

Yes it was Azazel that introduced Issei to Tannin for training

syzorst · 2018-05-20, 08:35

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Originally Posted by DragonOsman

The First Gen. Sun Wukong is training all of Team DxD, including Rias. But yeah.

Who was it that got him to train with Tannin on the mountains? Was that also Azazel? I don't remember that well since it's been a while.

Yes, it was Azazel who introduced Issei to Tannin to train him to reach his BxB and Azazel also gave everyone including Rias their training regiments to improve

Lucidrago · 2018-05-20, 08:39

Rias is incredibly strong but not abnormal like her brother or Millicas, but still incredibly strong nonetheless. She just happens to be really lucky. How many devils do you think have:

Reincarnated a human-fallen angel hybrid who's the daughter of Barakiel.

Reincarnated a Nekoshou, the strongest of the Nekomata species, who can use senjutsu and youjutsu. Which is incredibly powerful.

Reincarnated a human who could create demonic swords. Then developed a irregular Balance Breaker that fuses both holy and demonic. Then got the holy sword equivalent of his Sacred Gear and achieved Balance Breaker for that as well. Then learned how to make dragon slayers. Then got five powerful demonic swords(thanks Siegfried!) including the Demonic Emperor sword, Gram, which is also a powerful Dragon slayer.

Reincarnated a half-vampire born with a fragment of Balor's consciousness and had a powerful Sacred Gear which later evolved into a Longinus. Was also very talented in magic and using his vampiric abilities. Along with Vali and Millicas, has the most innate potential in this series.

Reincarnated the possessor of the Boosted Gear who uses his sexual desire and lust for breasts to power up. Who is renowned as a great hero of the Underworld.

Reincarnated a healer. Who also doubled as a dragon tamer. Might not seem significant but in every series it seems like healers are very hard to come by. And good ones that can heal injuries to an extent that they never existed seem very rare. Seems weird that the only thing that doesn't advance in supernatural worlds is in the medical field.

Reincarnated a holy sword possessor and former exorcist. Who wielded one of the most famous holy swords, Durandal. Was trained as a warrior by the Vatican and was an immensely talented warrior for her young age.

Reincarnated a Valkyrie who served as Odin's escort and aide at such a young age. Very talented in the usage of Norse magic to the point where calling her a genius is an understatement.

If you made Rias stronger than all of the servants she has reincarnated as most kings typically are, you would be making a character who would be a Mary Sue in strength.

That's where Rias' strength lies. Not in being the overpowered badass that most characters and most kings tend to be but in the overpowered and talented servants she has gathered.

So she's limited to collaboration with her servants to make herself overly OP and she does it very well.

Palmito · 2018-05-20, 09:16

Among the members of the ORC, the only one that did not evolve much was Irina. She should be on the same level as Xenovia, but I feel she's been left behind. It would be nice if Ishibumi gave at least one artificial Sacred Gear to her.

DragonOsman · 2018-05-20, 09:36

Irina is on par with Xenovia. Pretty much the same situation as Ise and Vali in terms of how their abilities and fighting styles are; Irina is Vali and Xenovia is Ise. It's just that this Vali needs more development and showings.

@Lucidrago: Azazel said Rias can become a top-class Devil even if she doesn't train. She should become at least Maou-class if she continues training. And I mean on her own. And plus she also to master her usage of Power of Destruction. Then there's also Extinguish Star, an overwhelmingly powerful move with a bunch of drawbacks that should be taken care of. I really want to see her master Extinguish Star.

Darksider555 · 2018-05-20, 09:58

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Originally Posted by Palmito

Among the members of the ORC, the only one that did not evolve much was Irina. She should be on the same level as Xenovia, but I feel she's been left behind. It would be nice if Ishibumi gave at least one artificial Sacred Gear to her.

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Sacred Gear: [Sun Bow of Light]

Description:

Takes the shape of a glowing fiery bow that fires light rays with a fiery appearance or fire arrows, which Irina can enhance with her power of light. The arrows are energy based & can be charged for more damage & power. She can also store charged arrows via magic circle for later use.

Balance Breaker: a subspecies called [Archangel Archeress of Redemption]

Description:

Changes Irina appearance; adding another pair of angel wings which would give her 6 pair in total also changing the color of her wings to golden similar to Dulio's BB. Also add a pair of energy wings on her feet. Her new wings increase her speed dramatically. The bow takes the apperance of a small crossbow that is attached to her left wrist.

The bow can now self rapid fire arrows from her wrist but the damage is reduced. Still retains all of it previous abilities including charging (also the charge time is lowered). The rapid fire speed is determined by Irina firing skill, meaning that if she improves her normal firing speed her rapid fire will improve as well.
This Balance Breaker is allows Irina to wield Hauteclere while also having access to the Sacred Gear abilities.

Here is my idea for her Artificial Sacred Gear. It could be used to turn her into a long range sniper.

sbh1fr · 2018-05-20, 10:00

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Originally Posted by Palmito

Among the members of the ORC, the only one that did not evolve much was Irina. She should be on the same level as Xenovia, but I feel she's been left behind. It would be nice if Ishibumi gave at least one artificial Sacred Gear to her.

instead of an artificial sacred gear, maybe he should make her evolve further as an angel and aquire an extra pair of wings.
now, irina only has 2 pair of wings if i'm not mistaken. if she would have three pair of wings, she would at least catch up with Akeno (with her 3 pair of fallen angel wings) and Lint (also has 3 pair of wings)... even koneko evolved and has 3 tails now.

Lucidrago · 2018-05-20, 10:09

Well Irina's not a member of the Gremory group so I really don't care.

syzorst · 2018-05-20, 10:12

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Originally Posted by sbh1fr

instead of an artificial sacred gear, maybe he should make her evolve further as an angel and aquire an extra pair of wings.
now, irina only has 2 pair of wings if i'm not mistaken. if she would have three pair of wings, she would at least catch up with Akeno (with her 3 pair of fallen angel wings) and Lint (also has 3 pair of wings)... even koneko evolved and has 3 tails now.

Not quite that simple. Akeno is the daughter of Baraqiel so It's understandable, Koneko is a Nekoshou who just reached an evolution, and Lint has a Longinus. Irina is a reincarnated Angel so it will take time for her but despite having 4 wings do you think she's weaker than Akeno, Koneko or Lint?

Palmito · 2018-05-20, 10:32

I think Ishibumi missed the chance to give a very big upgrade to Irina when he chose to give Incinerate Anthem to Lint. He could easily have given the Longinus to Irina and developed her level of power gradually from volume 20 to the end of the story (just as he developed the powers of Gasper).

Darksider555 · 2018-05-20, 10:35

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Originally Posted by Palmito

I think Ishibumi missed the chance to give a very big upgrade to Irina when he chose to give Incinerate Anthem to Lint. He could easily have given the Longinus to Irina and developed her level of power gradually from volume 20 to the end of the story (just as he developed the powers of Gasper).

I felt the same way when i heard that Incinerate Anthem had been given to another angel.

syzorst · 2018-05-20, 10:45

Irina would've been a too broken. Think about it, Irina is already regarded as one of the most talented holy swordsman along with Xenovia and given one of the best holy swords Hauteclere which has purification abilities and on top of that she's a reincarnated Angel. If she was given a Longinus on top of all of that then Irina would've been way too OP. I don't think Ishibumi would want that.

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DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Rias trained them or introduced them to people and/or environments where they could train and get stronger, and made them stronger herself in part, so yes, of course she has reason to be proud that they became so strong. Ise helped with Gasper, Koneko and Akeno, but she did still bring out their potential and make them stronger. Though Ise's potential still hasn't been fully brought out yet. And in a way, since she reincarnated them, their achievements can also be considered her own. And among them, the one with the most outstanding achievements is Ise, who in the Volume 22 or 23 preview was called her pride. __________________

2018-05-20, 08:13	Link #2268
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	The First Gen. Sun Wukong is training all of Team DxD, including Rias. But yeah. Who was it that got him to train with Tannin on the mountains? Was that also Azazel? I don't remember that well since it's been a while. __________________

2018-05-20, 09:36	Link #2273
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Irina is on par with Xenovia. Pretty much the same situation as Ise and Vali in terms of how their abilities and fighting styles are; Irina is Vali and Xenovia is Ise. It's just that this Vali needs more development and showings. @Lucidrago: Azazel said Rias can become a top-class Devil even if she doesn't train. She should become at least Maou-class if she continues training. And I mean on her own. And plus she also to master her usage of Power of Destruction. Then there's also Extinguish Star, an overwhelmingly powerful move with a bunch of drawbacks that should be taken care of. I really want to see her master Extinguish Star. __________________

2018-05-20, 01:32	Link #2261
Lucidrago Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: United States	And you think that Ishibumi's story progressing naturally isn't according to his whims and desires?

2018-05-20, 06:16	Link #2264
Blazor 98 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2017	Just notice something since Vol 24. With Koneko's evolution against Kuroka, she is now stronger than Rias. So let's see, Issei, Kiba, Gasper, Roseweisse, Xenovia, and now Koneko are all stronger than Rias. Akeno is the only one left that's hasn't become stronger but can rival her and those 2 started off in the series as the strongest but now are the weakest. Not counting Asia because she's not a combatant but her BxB speaks for itself.

2018-05-20, 08:29	Link #2269
TheWu8128 Hero In Training Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Space	Yes it was Azazel that introduced Issei to Tannin for training

2018-05-20, 08:39	Link #2271
Lucidrago Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: United States	Rias is incredibly strong but not abnormal like her brother or Millicas, but still incredibly strong nonetheless. She just happens to be really lucky. How many devils do you think have: Reincarnated a human-fallen angel hybrid who's the daughter of Barakiel. Reincarnated a Nekoshou, the strongest of the Nekomata species, who can use senjutsu and youjutsu. Which is incredibly powerful. Reincarnated a human who could create demonic swords. Then developed a irregular Balance Breaker that fuses both holy and demonic. Then got the holy sword equivalent of his Sacred Gear and achieved Balance Breaker for that as well. Then learned how to make dragon slayers. Then got five powerful demonic swords(thanks Siegfried!) including the Demonic Emperor sword, Gram, which is also a powerful Dragon slayer. Reincarnated a half-vampire born with a fragment of Balor's consciousness and had a powerful Sacred Gear which later evolved into a Longinus. Was also very talented in magic and using his vampiric abilities. Along with Vali and Millicas, has the most innate potential in this series. Reincarnated the possessor of the Boosted Gear who uses his sexual desire and lust for breasts to power up. Who is renowned as a great hero of the Underworld. Reincarnated a healer. Who also doubled as a dragon tamer. Might not seem significant but in every series it seems like healers are very hard to come by. And good ones that can heal injuries to an extent that they never existed seem very rare. Seems weird that the only thing that doesn't advance in supernatural worlds is in the medical field. Reincarnated a holy sword possessor and former exorcist. Who wielded one of the most famous holy swords, Durandal. Was trained as a warrior by the Vatican and was an immensely talented warrior for her young age. Reincarnated a Valkyrie who served as Odin's escort and aide at such a young age. Very talented in the usage of Norse magic to the point where calling her a genius is an understatement. If you made Rias stronger than all of the servants she has reincarnated as most kings typically are, you would be making a character who would be a Mary Sue in strength. That's where Rias' strength lies. Not in being the overpowered badass that most characters and most kings tend to be but in the overpowered and talented servants she has gathered. So she's limited to collaboration with her servants to make herself overly OP and she does it very well.

2018-05-20, 09:16	Link #2272
Palmito Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2017	Among the members of the ORC, the only one that did not evolve much was Irina. She should be on the same level as Xenovia, but I feel she's been left behind. It would be nice if Ishibumi gave at least one artificial Sacred Gear to her.

2018-05-20, 10:09	Link #2276
Lucidrago Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: United States	Well Irina's not a member of the Gremory group so I really don't care.

2018-05-20, 10:32	Link #2278
Palmito Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2017	I think Ishibumi missed the chance to give a very big upgrade to Irina when he chose to give Incinerate Anthem to Lint. He could easily have given the Longinus to Irina and developed her level of power gradually from volume 20 to the end of the story (just as he developed the powers of Gasper).

2018-05-20, 10:45	Link #2280
syzorst syzorst Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: St. Louis	Irina would've been a too broken. Think about it, Irina is already regarded as one of the most talented holy swordsman along with Xenovia and given one of the best holy swords Hauteclere which has purification abilities and on top of that she's a reincarnated Angel. If she was given a Longinus on top of all of that then Irina would've been way too OP. I don't think Ishibumi would want that.