[Umineko] Fan Fic EPX-2

[crazysjd89]

As for how he got out of this room is second, right now, I'm only trying to establish what compelled him to the chapel where he was killed. If this blue text cannot be denied, then it can easily be a basis for other murders, because then we know for a fact that someone faked their death. However, if she denies Battler having seen a person who was supposedly dead, since Battler saw the culprit, we can assume the culprit was one of the people Battler knew was alive.

Also, there's a reason I ask, and I believe Haruyan should know what I want to clear up, hopefully.

EDIT~VV Because I do not want to clog the thread up with random posts I will respond to the below in this one, however, hinting at someone faking death does not necasarrily mean they are the culprit. Since Battler saw the culprit, according to red text, if she denies breaking my theory, that means the culprit is "dead", if she does break my theory, then you could assume the culprit is alive. Furthermore, she could be hinting that someone is faking their death to lead you down the wrong path. This way makes it 100% sure. She said it herself, just because she refuses something doesn't mean it's not true, therefore, until I can be 100% sure, or unless she suddenly goes crazy and states in red "Someone was faking their death", then I will try and find this out.

To keep up with Chess metaphors, her Rook and Knight are on the same diagonal space as my Bishop, so she will have to give up one.

Well, of course, she might have a pawn beside them that she can move up to sacrifice, since I think there's a possibility she can deny it in a subtle way that doesn't lead down one path or the other. We'll see.

[hodil]

Dear Haruyan has been hinting to us many times that someone did faked death XD just that its not in red truth...

And btw.. the way Haruyan plays the game : She will just reject the theory and not tell you what went wrong.. frustrating isnt it? XD But fun! hahaha

[Kitsu]

I just realized, you (the witch) stated that the culprit came from behind and that Jessica did not see her murderer.
So it is to assume that Jessica were murdered first and then Kanon because Kanon must have recognized his murderer because you stated he couldn't harm him/her under and circumstances. Also...no one got up before Kanon was sent after her, or?

[Goose Boy]

STATEMEEEEENT:

no one has asked this...

-All the sevants from Rokkenjima have the furniture complex.
-Genji, Shannon and Kanon have the furniture complex.
-Jessica and Kanon were killed by a direct murder.

[Haruyan]

Originally Posted by crazysjd89

Also, I want to point out,

Rosa hates everyone.
Rosa doesn't hate George

So when you reject my theories, you better make sure it's completly in red, or else I'll call you out on it, heh.


In this case, I want to start backwards, because of something that might help solving the rest of the mysteries, so starting from Battler's Murder.

Battler saw someone who was suppose to be dead entering into the chapel. Naturally, he chased after them. There he saw something he shouldn't have seen, so that person killed him, or perhaps the person lured him there just to kill him.

First part, with that, what I mean to say is that while Rosa doesn't hate George, she certainly hates someone (that's not George )

Battler never had a master key in his hand, and neither did Maria.

-Kinzo never left his room from 0:00 to 6:00 of Oct 5th
-Rosa does not trust Eva
-Shannon was together with George when he died
-Shannon was threatened
-Nanjo excused himself and did not return to the adults discussion
-Nanjo knows of Rosa and Eva's Plan
-Maria, Battler, Jessica never left the guesthouse on the night of Oct 4th to the morning of Oct 5th
-Kyrie, Krauss and Kumasawa were alone when they were attacked
-The Victims of the first twilight saw their murderer before their death
-The victims of the first twilight drank the tea that was served after dinner.
-The victims of the first twilight were unconsious when they were attacked

-Gohda's death was not planned.
-Hideyoshi suspected Shannon.
-Jessica did not see the murderer who killed her
-Jessica was not in a right state of mind
-Jessica touched Kanon
-Kanon saw the murderer who killed him.
-Kanon is weaker than Jessica
-Shannon did not clean the floor between 8:00 to 11:00 Oct 5th
-The murderer entered and did not leave the same way.
-It was drizzling when the Murderer entered the guesthouse.
-The rain became heavier from 8:00 to 11:00 Oct 5th
-The two other bedrooms on the left were hermetically sealed, there was no gap between the door and the floor.
-The Kitchen was hermetically sealed, there was no gap between the door to the outside and the floor.
-Gohda did not clean the floor from 11:00 Oct 5th till the time he was discovered dead.

-Kinzo was not in the Mansion from 12:00pm to 12:15pm of Oct 5th
-Shannon saw someone after leaving the house.
-Shannon did panicked.
-Shannon did not have dellusions while walking from the Guesthouse to the Shed.
-After Shannon left the house to pick the axes her mind was clear.

-Battler was not an accomplice.
-Battler was attracted to the Chapel.
-Battler was not killed at point blank.
-Kinzo was not in his room nor the guesthouse on Oct 5th, 4pm.
-Everybody drank the tea Genji prepared, even Genji
-Rudolph was in the boiler room at 4.00pm of Oct 5th
-Someone unlocked the door for Battler.
-The corpses were already not there when Genji, Nanjo and Battler entered.
-The Winchester had an empty magazine.

The rest are REFUSED.

[Kitsu]

You refuse to tell me if someone got up there before Kanon went upstairs? This is kinda suspicious, I mean then everyone could have go upstairs and killed Jessica. Also Jessica touched Kanon...of course she touched at least one time in her live.
Please state:
-Jessica touched Kanon after he got upstairs
-No one got upstairs before Kanon followed Jessica

[Haruyan]

-Jessica touched Kanon after he got upstairs
-No one got upstairs before Kanon followed Jessica

I must've missed it, sorry

[Jan-Poo]

Uhm i'll try to build up yet another theory


There is an accomplice between the people that gathered in guesthouse

the people in the living room were drugged

The killer that entered Jessica's room entered from the main door taking advantage of the fact that everyone was drugged

Jessica at that moment was lying on the bed facing away from the door

The Killer killed Kanon without Jessica noticing anything

After Kanon was dead the killer killed Jessica

The killer then simply left the room and the house

[Kitsu]

Thought so... that's why I wanted you to state that you refused again.
So~....like I said in my post above. you stated that the culprit came from behind and that Jessica did not see her murderer.
So it is to assume that Jessica was murdered first and then Kanon because Kanon must have recognized his murderer because you stated he couldn't harm him/her under any circumstances

-Jessica was killed before Kanon

[Haruyan]

-The people in the livingroom did not sleep or were drugged after Kanon and Jessica went up.
-Jessica was kiled before Kanon

[Kitsu]

I'm goo~d xD
But this makes thing a little more complicated ... unless

-Kanon did go to the toilet!!

Just joking...

-Kanon watched Jessica die

[Haruyan]

Of course, Kanon is lying and he did go to the toilet! joking joking

Before I answer that, I suggest you look up methods of murder for them.

[Kitsu]

Could there be a drug or something that made strangulate themselves?

-Kanon and Jessica were attacked at the same time
-Jessica was pressed with her back against the culprit who strangulated her with his arm
-Kanon who is smaller, means has a smaller neck, was strangulated by the culprits free hand

[Haruyan]

Nobody was drugged in the guest house.
Jessica was killed first.

[Kitsu]

Doesn't matter...Jessica could have suffocated first, she has weak lungs

[Haruyan]

I'd like to see what you mean why attacked at the same time because that confuses me

[Kitsu]

For example both were grabbed at the same time or the culprit strangulated them at the same time.

[Haruyan]

Both were not grabbed nor strangulated at the same time

[Kitsu]

Then how about that one:

Kanon helped the attacker killing Jessica because he was ordered to, maybe he shut her up or something and helped the culprit so she wouldn't struggle so much. After that Kanon was killed by this culprit without resisting. Because he is furniture

[Haruyan]

Kanon does not have furniture complex