2014-05-06, 02:03 | Link #203 |
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there is actually another weakness to GD and even FS has the same flaw , they both need high amounts of psion's. and yes before you say it tat's has a high psion count but they(FS/GD) waste
a lot of it nonetheless. in a battle aganst someone with a high psion count or a large group of persons ( an army) somthing like wasting resources (psion's) is a no go . |
2014-05-06, 02:36 | Link #204 | |
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Athough it was a stupid fight, if tomitsukas psion cloud situation ends up being used for tats developing non sistematic magic that makes groups of psions expand and disagroup i think it was a rather necessary fight. If you remember the fight tats was actually trying to expand the psion cloud and then in this vol, according to the spoilers there was a sollution for tomitsuka's zero range called something blast. As it was probably tats that developed it for him it would be normal for him to be able to at least blast activation sequences and maybe magic sequences (blast meaning to make the psion sequence expand and desagregate). |
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2014-05-06, 03:21 | Link #205 |
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you are right about the fact that the psion armor would be a good defensive option for tat's but it still loses in comperisson to GDispersion . the psion armor (or contact type GD) is uneffective against magics wich target objects/surroundings and thus indirectly effect tat's as seen in the fight against tomitsuka . well as long as he has to hide his gramm dispersion it would be a fairly good technique for tatsuya nonetheless.(might be nice if he could do it for school battles or the like, but it is rater unlikely that he will learn/use it.) |
2014-05-06, 04:45 | Link #206 | |
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2014-05-06, 05:01 | Link #207 |
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FS is a psion bullet so it's long range, he targeted USNA soldiers like that. FS doesn't cancel magic like the Gram spells he never did something like that. Tatsuya and his father have probably the highest Psion count in the world but since Tomi can use GD continuously it must be high as well. Idk why you think he found a magic to beat his armor though. GD is the ultimate counter magic, he just needs to continuously break it, it's not as if Tomitsuka was invincible. Tatsuya himself is BS so create a new magic that he will be able to use efficiently to beat GD is impossible. GD isn't a magic which can be beaten like that.
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2014-05-06, 06:07 | Link #208 |
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first thing about FS (straight out of the mahouka wiki)
Far Strike is a form of Gram Demolition developed by Tatsuya, but it works on the Information Dimension rather than the physical realm. It is a compressed psion bullet that targets not only Activation Sequences but the spell caster as well. It was designed specifically to target the Parasites from the Visitor Arc. second thing @kazakiri that heavily depends on the question "where is the soul ?" inside the body ? in the information dimension ? the other question is got it stated somewere which magic fumiya used ? poisonous bee or some kind of different magic ? as far as i remember isn't p-bee suposed to amplify the pain the opponent feels?(wouldn't something like that be to risky(we already know it can kill)/ against certain moral code's (for example the one why ichihara isn't ichihana animore..) (ps sorry about the whole bunch of qustion in there ^^°) |
2014-05-06, 06:08 | Link #209 | |
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I never said that tats should use the psion armor lol. I said that he could develop a technique for expanding a group of psions, because as seen in tomitsuka's fight he can t decompose psions If they aren t organized in some way. Besides, during the fight his objective was to expand tomi's psion cloud, so after some time training he could have achieved it.
And btw, tomitsuka's psion cloud should protect him from any direct magical attack on his body, including Fumiya's Mental Interference magic as long as the pressure/concentration of psions in his armor is enough to counter the magic sequence. Quote:
Another thing, i was talking about tats using oscilatory non sistematic magic like he used in the fight. The only diference is that now the magic would actually have a significant effect instead of expanding the psion cloud only a little. And If you read the fight with tomitsuka, the fact that the armor actually expands is proof it is possible to at least blast tomi's GD by expanding his armor. |
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2014-05-06, 06:38 | Link #210 | |
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If we are to interpret that as 'Sensory Interference' being different from 'Mental Interference' it becomes even more complicated. Also I doubt Fumiya would actually use 'Poisoned Bees' in the 9SC. It's either a scaled down version or something quite different. Spoiler for Grim Reaper:
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2014-05-06, 07:39 | Link #211 |
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Yes, he used it on activation sequences, everybody can do this to stop an attack. FS is an invisible psion bullet even thiugh it's another form of GD the effects are too different. I am not sure GD armor can block Mental magic, they work with Pushion I think.
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2014-05-06, 08:27 | Link #212 | |
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Spoiler for Volume 1 Psions and Pushions:
Spoiler for Volume 9 Pushions and Brain:
Spoiler for Parasites Magic:
These are the easily understood definitions of Pushions I can find in all 12 volumes As again the spoilers may be confusing, but then Parasites can't live without Pushions. That's the reason they need a Human Host. If Pushions are related to emotion as was stated in volume 1 it would explain Pixie's link to Honoka, and the reason for the colors of 'Spirits' in SB magic. Spoiler for Parasites:
While the target maybe a 'Pushion Information Body' it doesn't change the fact that magic uses psions. Spoiler for Psions and Parasites:
Even though magic was released by the Pushions (The thinking core) it still had to use Psions (Thought and Intention) |
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so no it has same effect as normal GD and much more. Quote:
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2014-05-06, 09:19 | Link #214 | |
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Far Strike didn't pierce the GD armor so much as it bypassed it, and it was only used because the puppet spell resembled the Parasites possesion. |
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2014-05-06, 09:23 | Link #215 | |
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For example Mitsugu's Poison bee, novel stated that it can be dispelled by counter magicm |
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2014-05-06, 09:39 | Link #216 | |
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and more to do with the fact that; Spoiler for Pushion Core:
Contact-type Gram Demolition is similar to how a parasite is a pushion core surrounded by psions. |
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2014-05-06, 09:48 | Link #217 | |
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FS didn t bypass the armor because at the moment it didn t exist lol. After tomitsuka activated Self marionet the psions on his armor became organized and tats used gram dispersion to decompose the armor and aplied FS directly on tomitsuka. However this fight is a bad example and there are a lot of confusing things that happen there, i seriously don t like it lol. |
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2014-05-06, 09:50 | Link #218 |
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So Mental Interference magic doesn't consume Pushions, I see. But I wonder why Miyuki was so tired in vol 11 then? The PIB was big but she used Cocytus on 16 persons without problems or maybe her precedent attacks had consumed too much of her Psion Count?
For GD it's just as anonfr said, due to how it works SM would be vulnerable to FS. Contrary to GD, FS have effects on the human body sometimes. And no matter how high Tatsuya's PC is, there is no way he can form a bullet with as much psion pressure as the GD canon ball. |
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When casting self marionette "The psions that surrounded the body are neat and orderly, recreating an untouchable Eidos that only suffered Self Marionette to pass." Self Marionette allowed for attacks that initially wouldn't be effective. Also, in the actual fight Tatsuya didn't use Far Strike to undo Tomitsuka's GD, he used far strike to attack self marionette directly, knocking Tomitsuka out by the whip lash. So my point is, I think the evidence is too inconclusive to decide whether or not Far Strike can beat Gram Demolition, since that isn't what actually happened. |
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2014-05-06, 09:53 | Link #220 | |
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Off course it didn`t work on tomitsuka contact type GD because GD is not a spell it has no activation or magic sequence so there's nothing to blow away. And he used far strike then because tomitsuka armor was gone,because he used that self marionette magic the formless armor he had before took a form that had a design and he used Gram Dispersal on that to blow it away then used Far Stike to knock him out. Spoiler for volume 12 chapter 16:
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