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Parry999 · 2019-01-20, 12:31

Well she's not Katereas kid and Tsufaame Tereaku Leviathan has been dead for 100+ years before she was born. Yet she doesn't have a human last name.

cyberdemon · 2019-01-20, 16:21

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Well she's not Katereas kid and Tsufaame Tereaku Leviathan has been dead for 100+ years before she was born. Yet she doesn't have a human last name.

Well that can't be certain. Issei just think Katerea would kill her and the OMF tried to keep it a secret from her. Impossible to actual know what would've went through her mind since she is dead now.

Parry999 · 2019-01-20, 16:36

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Well that can't be certain. Issei just think Katerea would kill her and the OMF tried to keep it a secret from her. Impossible to actual know what would've went through her mind since she is dead now.

Katerea seemed like a pretty cool person actually. Wanted to make Ophis god and respected Sirzechs. She just hated Serafall for killing her relative. She was chiller then Shalba.

cyberdemon · 2019-01-20, 16:45

after reading the chapter. Is Ingvild actually half devil or mostly human like has been said in this thread before? The chapter seems to say the former. Perhaps her "parents" were just the ones that raised her and not the ones that gave birth to her

Parry999 · 2019-01-20, 16:51

It said half devil and not distant ancestors like the

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Lucidrago · 2019-01-21, 12:53

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Katerea seemed like a pretty cool person actually. Wanted to make Ophis god and respected Sirzechs. She just hated Serafall for killing her relative. She was chiller then Shalba.

Serafall never killed her relative. She's mad at Serafall for holding the title of Leviathan which should have been hers.

She said that Sirzechs has been a good Maou and not the best Maou. The best Maou in her opinion is probably a Maou that puts the supremacy of devils over everything else and to wipe out the angels and fallen angels. That's what she probably thinks the 'best' Maou is. And one that has the blood of the original Maou running through their veins and is a pureblood.

Parry999 · 2019-01-21, 13:01

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Serafall never killed her relative. She's mad at Serafall for holding the title of Leviathan which should have been hers.

She said that Sirzechs has been a good Maou and not the best Maou. The best Maou in her opinion is probably a Maou that puts the supremacy of devils over everything else and to wipe out the angels and fallen angels. That's what she probably thinks the 'best' Maou is. And one that has the blood of the original Maou running through their veins and is a pureblood.

Didn't she kill
Tsufaame? Oh, right zero had the super devils murder the only maou-class descendants. Disappointing!

Lucidrago · 2019-01-21, 14:57

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Didn't she kill
Tsufaame? Oh, right zero had the super devils murder the only maou-class descendants. Disappointing!

When were Bidleid and Tsufaime ever stated to be Maou-class? If they were Maou-class wouldn't they have been listed as devils that could injure Falbium even with his 'Absolute Defense'?

Parry999 · 2019-01-21, 15:48

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When were Bidleid and Tsufaime ever stated to be Maou-class? If they were Maou-class wouldn't they have been listed as devils that could injure Falbium even with his 'Absolute Defense'?

Ultimate-class devils couldn't hurt Tsufaame in her levithan form and they both had 12 wings. Where Vali another maou descendants as an ultimate-class doesn't have 12 till DxD L. Sirzechs used his true form on Bidleid who easily took out an ultimate-class in base.

Lucidrago · 2019-01-21, 21:22

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Ultimate-class devils couldn't hurt Tsufaame in her levithan form and they both had 12 wings. Where Vali another maou descendants as an ultimate-class doesn't have 12 till DxD L. Sirzechs used his true form on Bidleid who easily took out an ultimate-class in base.

So they're stronger than the average Ultimate-class devil. But when did it say that they were Maou-class?

Parry999 · 2019-01-23, 03:24

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So they're stronger than the average Ultimate-class devil. But when did it say that they were Maou-class?

It straight up says Ultimate-class devils can't hurt her and Ajuka had to kill her. That's clearly a maou-class ability by feats alone. Also Katarea even with Ophis snake couldn't use that form.

Lucidrago · 2019-01-23, 10:15

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It straight up says Ultimate-class devils can't hurt her and Ajuka had to kill her. That's clearly a maou-class ability by feats alone. Also Katarea even with Ophis snake couldn't use that form.

Again when did it say they were Maou-class?

And I doubt Ishibumi had something like that in mind way back in Volume 4 when he put Katarea in the story at the very beginning of the series. He hadn't even thought of Super Devils at that point.

Parry999 · 2019-01-23, 18:11

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Again when did it say they were Maou-class?

And I doubt Ishibumi had something like that in mind way back in Volume 4 when he put Katarea in the story at the very beginning of the series. He hadn't even thought of Super Devils at that point.

Source on the bolded? Tell me where a devil stronger then an ultimate class devil wasn't maou-class?

Lucidrago · 2019-01-23, 20:45

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Source on the bolded? Tell me where a devil stronger then an ultimate class devil wasn't maou-class?

Most authors don't have every single thing in their story planned out from the beginning. At that point Sirzechs was still Maou-class and there wasn't any indication that Super Devils existed until Volume 12.

Again where did it state they were Maou-class?

Parry999 · 2019-01-24, 19:09

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Most authors don't have every single thing in their story planned out from the beginning. At that point Sirzechs was still Maou-class and there wasn't any indication that Super Devils existed until Volume 12.

Again where did it state they were Maou-class?

Over hundred year old relative of Leviathan, ultimate class devils can't even hurt her. Why do you think she's not maou-class?

Lucidrago · 2019-01-24, 19:28

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Over hundred year old relative of Leviathan, ultimate class devils can't even hurt her. Why do you think she's not maou-class?

So where exactly did it state that she's Maou-class? Considering that Ishibumi has been quick to point out that Serafall, Falbium, and Grayfia as Maou-class during Zero, why haven't those two been specifically stated to be Maou-class?

Parry999 · 2019-01-24, 19:38

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So where exactly did it state that she's Maou-class? Considering that Ishibumi has been quick to point out that Serafall, Falbium, and Grayfia as Maou-class during Zero, why haven't those two been specifically stated to be Maou-class?

Because those three aren't from the maou bloodline? Do you need Ishibumi to confirm everything in an exposition dump? They weren't stated to be lacking heirs needing Ophis snakes.

Lucidrago · 2019-01-24, 20:09

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Because those three aren't from the maou bloodline? Do you need Ishibumi to confirm everything in an exposition dump? They weren't stated to be lacking heirs needing Ophis snakes.

I mean that if someone's going to be Maou-class then he's going to state it outright. Yes they are the descendants of the original Maou but why wouldn't they be stated to be as strong as the original Maou considering being Maou-class is extraordinary even for a descendant of the original Maou?

Again he would have outright stated if they were Maou-class like he did with Serafall, Falbium, and Grayfia.

And wasn't the whole point of the descendants was them not being as powerful as the original Maou?

And would Ajuka have easily countered Tsufaime's attacks while he is not serious if she was Maou-class?

Parry999 · 2019-01-25, 19:52

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I mean that if someone's going to be Maou-class then he's going to state it outright. Yes they are the descendants of the original Maou but why wouldn't they be stated to be as strong as the original Maou considering being Maou-class is extraordinary even for a descendant of the original Maou?

Again he would have outright stated if they were Maou-class like he did with Serafall, Falbium, and Grayfia.

And wasn't the whole point of the descendants was them not being as powerful as the original Maou?

And would Ajuka have easily countered Tsufaime's attacks while he is not serious if she was Maou-class?

I don't see why he couldn't when Risevim could well screwing around. Being Maou-class= the orginal Leviathan?

kiiro94 · 2019-02-20, 23:34

Well, the next class after Ultimate Class, and if someone of Ultimate Class can damage you, then you are logically on the next tier at worst.

Even the strongest Ultimate Class very near to Maou Class is still Ultimate Class and wont damage you and that automatically puts you on Satan Class.

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cyberdemon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	after reading the chapter. Is Ingvild actually half devil or mostly human like has been said in this thread before? The chapter seems to say the former. Perhaps her "parents" were just the ones that raised her and not the ones that gave birth to her __________________

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Parry999 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: America Age: 30	It said half devil and not distant ancestors like the Spoiler: shooting star spoilers .

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Parry999 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: America Age: 30	Well she's not Katereas kid and Tsufaame Tereaku Leviathan has been dead for 100+ years before she was born. Yet she doesn't have a human last name.

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kiiro94 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2018	Well, the next class after Ultimate Class, and if someone of Ultimate Class can damage you, then you are logically on the next tier at worst. Even the strongest Ultimate Class very near to Maou Class is still Ultimate Class and wont damage you and that automatically puts you on Satan Class.