High School DxD Light Novel - EX Sidestories Discussion

[Hakai]

Originally Posted by B214

And what makes you think Akeno the unwanted child of the Himejima can, she probably wasn't even taught by them before being chased out.

No, her mom taught her purification of ghosts/evil spirits
We don't really know the extent of her knowledge of Himejima clan's powers for now

The chances of Kurenai was trained by Suzaku from SLASHDOG, seems more probable cause she's the only one that doesn't have the issue with Akeno and Tobio.

Honestly don't know shit about SLASHDOG, so no comments on this one

But with this we can't completely rule out the possibility of Akeno training Kurenai

[B214]

Originally Posted by Cake-Carrot

No, her mom taught her purification of ghosts/evil spirits
We don't really know the extent of her knowledge of Himejima clan's powers for now


Honestly don't know shit about SLASHDOG, so no comments on this one

But with this we can't completely rule out the possibility of Akeno training Kurenai

Himejima clan specializes in flames specifically the Suzaku, a type fire bird, if Akeno had the ability to use it, Azazel would've let her trained with that much earlier, it means that Akeno doesn't have the ability to use the Himejima's ability like her son.

[Hakai]

Originally Posted by B214

Himejima clan specializes in flames specifically the Suzaku, a type fire bird, if Akeno had the ability to use it, Azazel would've let her trained with that much earlier, it means that Akeno doesn't have the ability to use the Himejima's ability like her son.

That's a bold assumption

Azazel already said that if someone unskilled used that bird the whole forest would burn down immediately

At that time she didn't have to train that much for holy lightning, just accept her fallen angel blood

If Kurenai who inherited the Himejima blood from his mother can there is no reason to believe Akeno does not have the potential as well

Of course we can't be absolutely sure she could but we can't just rule out the possibility just because Azazel never said so
She isn't even done mastering her fallen angel powers in the main story

[kusabireika]

@Cake-Carrot: uhm what if Himejima Bloodline skip a generation "Akeno" perhaps Fallen Angel gene is stronger, only the recessive gene "Himejima Bloodline" was passed to their children by luck. ^^


seriously plz read Slash/Dog coz there is bit relevance in the main HS DxD storyline I think. ^^?

[B214]

Originally Posted by Cake-Carrot

That's a bold assumption

Azazel already said that if someone unskilled used that bird the whole forest would burn down immediately

At that time she didn't have to train that much for holy lightning, just accept her fallen angel blood

If Kurenai who inherited the Himejima blood from his mother can there is no reason to believe Akeno does not have the potential as well

Of course we can't be absolutely sure she could but we can't just rule out the possibility just because Azazel never said so
She isn't even done mastering her fallen angel powers in the main story

Except Akeno herself noted that she only has her lightning and purification skill.

……My merit is the ability to control lightning that was passed down from my father and the power to purify spirits that I learned from my mother.

She doesn't have the true ability of the Himejima.

[saw2097]

Originally Posted by Biohazardous

I'm with Chich. With Ise being shown as too busy (will ignore bad father part) the gang should have some type of knowledge of it all so they can make things better in the future. If they can't make even minor changes to the future it's rather pointless to show it to us now. Better to see the future of things at the end of the series.

The point is us learning what happens to the characters after the events of the series, the author is showing us the characters future.

The main volumes will never get this far timeline wise so the author is having the kids come back in time so we the audience can learn about the characters future.

The character's memories being erased would prevent inconsistencies in the main series, as this knowledge would cause no end of plot holes and inconsistencies in the books that have already been written.

This series was based off of Boruto which was about what happened afterwards, not some story about altering the future. The author already had Gapser tell us that Ise has good reasons to not be around as much. And Ix is starting to change his attitude about Ise as he learns more about him. Its a story about the kids learning about their father not about the father learning about the kids.

Edit: Also for a change the future story, the future would have to be far worse than it is. Generally in change the future stories, the future is in a apocalyptic state not just because one of Ise's kids throws a tantrum and they claim he isn't around enough, particularly when a adult says he has good reasons.

Originally Posted by Cake-Carrot

Being embarrassed of them doesn't have to mean she's not close to her parents
Rias does not have enough interactions with her own parents or Ise's parents for us to conclude she's closer to Mr & Mrs Hyoudou


The only times his Sacred Gear powered up due to pure emotions other than tits is because of his parents
No reason for us to believe he's getting distant from them since most of their interactions are off-screen anyway

And again, Zen already gave us the reason why they are so close with the others

Says nothing here about Ise being too lame and them being sooo cool

What makes you think the kids don't love their father or think the world of them just as Ise loves his parents?

Ise's parents know very little about him until recently, it was stated in volume 20 that Ise barely speaks to them and they were shocked when they learned what his career goals are.

Its similar to what happens in military families, when the father or mother is away the kids will bond with a babysitter or other figure. Like I said before its common among teenagers, its enhanced when the father or mother travels a lot.

[Hakai]

Originally Posted by B214

Except Akeno herself noted that she only has her lightning and purification skill.


She doesn't have the true ability of the Himejima.

Again jumping the gun
That was loli Akeno
No way she could've known her full potential
Those were her present abilities at that time and her mother actually needed to teach her the purification skills
No way a child like her could control Sacred Beasts as they require immense skill
She was later on boosted by Rias' queen piece and direct contact with the power of Sekiryuutei

Her fallen angel potential was untapped and needed equipments to be brought out
Same could apply to her Himejima blood as well

Originally Posted by kusabireika

seriously plz read Slash/Dog coz there is bit relevance in the main HS DxD storyline I think. ^^?

Yeah I've been meaning to read the for a while
and I will
There are some funny moments of Vali in it I heard

[B214]

Originally Posted by Cake-Carrot

Again jumping the gun
That was loli Akeno
No way she could've known her full potential
Those were her present abilities at that time and her mother actually needed to teach her the purification skills
No way a child like her could control Sacred Beasts as they require immense skill
She was later on boosted by Rias' queen piece and direct contact with the power of Sekiryuutei

Her fallen angel potential was untapped and needed equipments to be brought out
Same could apply to her Himejima blood as well

Not possible, if Akeno has that ability she would've unlocked it long ago.

Spoiler for slashdog:

Regarding the age of the young girl——Himejima Suzaku, she was seventeen as of this year. Her appearance was fitting given that she was one of the granddaughters of Himejima Suou’s other older sister. As of this year, she had been the one talented woman from all of their relatives who had inherited the sacred beast ‘Suzaku’ that was governed by the Himejima. No, in recent years, the ones who had inherited the sacred beasts of each of the respective Five Principal Clans had been remarkably young. Based on this, the efforts the families had undertaken to bring in good blood, they appeared to have borne fruit.

This is 4 years ago, Ouryuu from the student council is a first year student it means Ouryuu already unlocked his/her powers since 11, Akeno left her house around that age, if she had it she would've had it already.

[Hakai]

That's SLASHDOG
This is Dxd
The one Kurenai summoned wasn't even Suzaku

The Himejima clan is a Shinto family that is widely known and has protected Japan from ancient times. The clan is protected and governs the Sacred Beast Suzaku. (SLASHDOG is leaking!! )

What Kurenai summoned is not the Sacred Beast Suzaku (God of the South) but the Chinese Phoenix.

And it says in recent years
Not that they can only inherit them at young age

[B214]

Originally Posted by Cake-Carrot

That's SLASHDOG
This is Dxd
The one Kurenai summoned wasn't even Suzaku


And it says in recent years
Not that they can only inherit them at young age

They still take place Slashdog and DxD take place in the same universe.

Never said they were the same i'm saying that you saying Akeno inheriting the Himejima ability when she shown no such ability is more speculative than me saying Suzaku who is willing to accept Tobio and Akeno as family teaching Kurenai. Though now that i rethink about it, Fenghuang is the Chinese version of Phoenix, i think having someone from the Phenex/Phoenix clan teach Kurenai seems more appropriate since they're using the same thing.

[Hakai]

You saying she absolutely does not have the potential because
1:Azazel never told her to train
1:Her 11 year old self thinking she didn't have it
3:The current generation of those who inherited it just happened to be young
is more speculative than anything I said


To begin with the sacred beast Kurenai summoned is not even Suzaku

[B214]

Originally Posted by Cake-Carrot

You saying she absolutely does not have the potential because
1:Azazel never told her to train
1:Her 11 year old self thinking she didn't have it
3:The current generation of those who inherited it just happened to be young
is more speculative than anything I said


To begin with the sacred beast Kurenai summoned is not even Suzaku

So? It's still stated Kurenai inherited the Himejima ability.

Then, the eldest son Kurenai distorted the space around him and summoned a powerful being. It was a firebird with scorching flames that will never die out. He has also covered himself with lightning.

The Himejima clan is a Shinto family that is widely known and has protected Japan from ancient times. The clan is protected and governs the Sacred Beast Suzaku.

What Kurenai summoned is not the Sacred Beast Suzaku (God of the South) but the Chinese Phoenix.

Kurenai not only strongly carries the blood of the Himejima, he also inherited lightning.

[Hakai]

Originally Posted by B214

So? It's still stated Kurenai inherited the Himejima ability.

And it's not only limited to Suzaku
That's what I was trying to say
Akeno inherited the power of purification from her mother so just because she didn't inherit Suzaku we can't be sure she doesn't have other abilities related to Sacred Beasts

[B214]

Originally Posted by Cake-Carrot

And it's not only limited to Suzaku
That's what I was trying to say
Akeno inherited the power of purification from her mother so just because she didn't inherit Suzaku we can't be sure she doesn't have other abilities related to Sacred Beasts

That's like saying Tsubaki should have the powers of Sacred Beasts, Baihu, because she's from the Shinra clan, and Sona's knight, Meguri, should have the power of a Sacred Beast because she hails from a family that exterminates evil spirits. They don't have it, the story has shown zero implications on it, so saying that Akeno having it when she hasn't shown it is speculation already. At least i can manage to hand you a propose quote from the author, you saying that Akeno also inherited the Himejima isn't supported by anything.

[Hakai]

I never said she definitely inherited it
I said we can't rule out the possibility since her son inherited the power to summon Sacred Beasts
You are the one saying it's absolutely not possible

[B214]

Originally Posted by Cake-Carrot

I never said she definitely inherited it
I said we can't rule out the possibility since her son inherited the power to summon Sacred Beasts
You are the one saying it's absolutely not possible

Akeno noted it herself as a child.

……My merit is the ability to control lightning that was passed down from my father and the power to purify spirits that I learned from my mother.

Tobio is also a member of the Himejima but you don't see him having the Himejima ability too.

Spoiler:

“My own house of Himejima, it’s a Shinto clan. Including the ancient Hinokagutsuchi, we have faith in the gods of that religious system. Naturally many were born possessing the supernatural ability to manipulate flames. ……As for myself, I was not blessed with such power. Despite believing in the Hinokagutsuchi, as well as all the gods of that system I was unable to receive any of that divine protection. As a result, here I am now. ——For those who were unable to conform to the circumstances of the clans, even though we originated from the clans, we have been relegated to this. This is the justice they have strictly observed since ancient times.”

Many not all, plus Akeno might not even be blessed by the Shinto Gods at all.

[DragonOsman]

Just as a note: Anyone in whom the Himejima's ability to manipulate flames or the divine protection of the Shinto gods wasn't seen was banished from the Himejima Clan. This is mentioned in Slash/Dog, too, like Saw said just now. I'm not sure if Shiori had it or not, but I don't think Akeno had it.

[beast 666]

talking about Slash / Dog anyone know the name of the five main clans?

[DragonOsman]

It was mentioned in the story itself (both in Slash/Dog and in DxD (combined, not standalone, probably)), so if you read it, you'd know.

[Biohazardous]

I got the first 4 chapters of Slah/Dog read.