2014-08-14, 05:12 | Link #2021 | |
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He is not trying to fight against the discrimination, he comes like a storm and shows his skills. With this, arrogant Blooms are forced to recognize his strength and it breaks their ego and their beliefs. It affected Hanzo in a good way for example and there are others like Morisaki who try refuse to recognize him despite this. |
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2014-08-14, 05:28 | Link #2022 | |
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You can say the Weed/Bloom thing is stupid because it was set up out of that arrogance, but was it really? The distinction it makes is simple: either you have the magic abilities to be a Course 1 or you don't. Distinction can only be perceived as discrimination because some people like Tatsuya and his Course 2 buddies have proven people can be just as if not more effective magic practitioners if there's a twist to their abilities that the system either: 1.) isn't able to measure, or 2.) doesn't appreciate. We've seen first hand that Mahouka's aptitude tests aren't suitable for certain abilities, they mostly measure raw magic output. As for the (under)appreciation of intricate magic skills, Tatsuya being an "irregular" is exactly why the system shouldn't feel the need to change. He is an outlier, the system works for the majority of people and can't really be called unfair when there's a shortage of instructors. There's also the issue of academic pride. Many academics in our world believe education shouldn't be appropriated to a country's economic or military output. The way things are done in schools of magic is because there's not only arrogance, but more of an appreciation for magic talent, which is what I believe Mahouka's values stand for. Really, the only one deserving of ridicule here are the zealous magic academics and students, or the ridiculously powerful people with a stick up their ass such as the Clans. Everyone else outside these talent-worshipping institutions knows what's up. |
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2014-08-14, 08:46 | Link #2024 | ||
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If you're talking about within the story, yes, the existence of Tatsuya effectively ridicules that arrogance, at least in the cohort currently in the school. And if Tatsuya weren't there, then most of them would probably eventually learn that the three things the tests measure don't mean everything, although any arrogant berk at the 9SC probably wouldn't. But the notion that that arrogance exists only within the school system is untrue. At the very least, others within the Yotsuba display it; so it might be held amongst people in the magical community as well, even if we haven't been shown it, no? However, in terms of it being petty to take a cause against that... correct me if I've read you wrong again, but by this Quote:
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2014-08-14, 09:22 | Link #2025 |
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I don't believe he wants to ridicule anybody, nor do I think he's being used as a tool for ridicule against anyone or anything else. That is the first layer of my point. The second layer of my point is, even if he were to be a tool for ridicule, we should discredit him as such. If compared against students, because of his training. If compared against other talented magicians (be them Yotsubas or whoever), because he has certain innate power-boosting abilities of his own AND because of his training. He's had unfair advantages in life, compared to his peers, that makes him powerful, which makes him just as privileged as other powerful magicians.
Really, it just comes down to who's stronger. If he beats the Yotsuba, I wouldn't be rooting for him because he's an underdog. That's impossible. He has so many abilities and early-acquired skills he has to be seen as the favorite. Why we're rooting for him is because we want to see a perfect score. EDIT: I should clarify, I don't mean there isn't any ridicule to be had. There's a certain joy in seeing arrogant people break, but he's not the person to do it because his skillset is in many ways superior and outside of what to expect in an educational institution such as Mahouka. Taking down arrogance was much better demonstrated in Harry Potter where a muggle could outshine the ones with the best blood. In Fate/Zero, magicians cursed Kiritsugu because he wasn't playing by the rules. He was operating outside their play field. What it came down to was how strong a person was, not what kind or how powerful of a magic he wielded. Last edited by cyth; 2014-08-14 at 09:48. |
2014-08-14, 20:06 | Link #2026 | |
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1. annihilate the yotsubas and make a fresh start with miyuki(his aunt started to be cautious around him since she knows that he can beat her) or 2. staying still until miyuki becomes the head of the clan and then just do whatever he wants since nobody in the clan will dare to say something to him Its an ability innate in the yotsuba members(from what i know), but tatsuya is the only one who is using it, its flash cast
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2014-08-15, 01:24 | Link #2027 | |
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2014-08-15, 16:00 | Link #2030 | |
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Like the head of Tatsuya's family, certain parts of school or whatnot and the discrimination that followed Tatsuya is ridiculously strong but most people disregard him as weak even though his style of fighting and/or magic has a lot of practical uses in real combat and not simple school tests- which reflects a weak mindset by people that just accept whatever the system, (authority) puts in front of them, instead of a mindset or populace that thinks for themselves. To some degree anyway. There's still issues possibly even within the government that's assisting Tatsuya, as well. 'only emotion he has left is love for his sister' But why? The anime showed him as in a test tube or something, maybe half alive after being almost killed and the one thing they kept in him was his love for his sister. Whether this had influence by Tatsuya's family or not, I'm unsure. But there's still other issues as well, such as references/implications/outright saying "using Tatsuya as a tool" An argument could be made that the current authority is corrupted, that authority is only partially corrupt, or authority is fundamentally corrupted and will continue to corrupt people, I'm not sure where the author lands on this - Someone who watched the anime but didn't go into the manga Last edited by That_one_guy; 2014-08-16 at 09:42. |
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2014-08-16, 09:08 | Link #2031 |
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If you want an answer to your question, please post it in the Q&A thread or ask for a PM response. As the title states, this thread doesn't allow spoilers and the answer to your question qualifies as a spoiler.
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2014-08-16, 09:42 | Link #2032 | |
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2014-08-16, 10:42 | Link #2033 |
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Ok, I think I get what you were trying to argue now. My own point was basically that "'Ridiculing the system' is not what I think the author was trying to do with Tatsuya in the first place (so there's no point in trying to evaluate whether it's effective or not)." And the former part of my point is effectively your first point, which I don't think was clear in the first few posts that I was replying to.
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2014-08-23, 17:38 | Link #2037 | |
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Sometimes, it is best to just sit back and enjoy the show (any show) for what it is (unless it insults your intelligence... here's looking at you, Coppelion), although, in this show, you also need to pick up the details and interpret it. Over-analyzing any show will kill it. There are people who over-analyze Game of Thrones and are vocal about it concerning what they believe is wrong... the end result is that they do not enjoy it as much. For most shows, people should really just go along and enjoy the ride.
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2014-08-23, 17:58 | Link #2038 | |
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As for critics being a vocal minority, I see a lot of critics on both sides, the novel reader as well as anime watcher side. Calling them a minority is a cheap attempt to dismiss the sentiment that this show has some serious flaws. I would recommend this only to people with no brain left to spare. The rest of us will continue using them, thank you. |
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