High School DxD Light Novel - Character Speculation/Theories: Issei's Harem

[Somethindarker]

You guys keep forgetting Ravel and Asia are his bishops. Both are set in stone.

Originally Posted by S.Freedom

It was confirmed that she wanted to be his second bishop. A technicality it may be, but it exisits.

And that leaves an opening in Rias' peerage. Which would require the introduction of a replacement for Asia for Rias. Not to mention the how and why they'd become her bishop.

Unless you believe:

1) Issie would take Asia away and thereby weaken Rias' peerage.

2) That the author has already introduced Asia's replacement.

Rias said she's retiring from the games after college to run the family business so she doesn't need new family members. Sona will not join Issei's harem it's illogical for since she's gonna be running her family too my money sais she'll either pick Sairorg, Saji or some other nameless noble.

[S.Freedom]

I don't dispute Ravel being one of his bishops.

It's Asia that I question. Because it introduces new plotlines into the story. Those being who would replace her in Rias' peerage, and why they would do so.

Meanwhile by making Sona his second bishop it solves those issue. Granted it would require Saji to fall for either Momo or Riruka. Which isn't all that difficult to do really. Though it would require character development for all three to make it "believable" so to speak.

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by S.Freedom

I don't dispute Ravel being one of his bishops.

It's Asia that I question. Because it introduces new plotlines into the story. Those being who would replace her in Rias' peerage, and why they would do so.

Meanwhile by making Sona his second bishop it solves those issue. Granted it would require Saji to fall for either Momo or Riruka. Which isn't all that difficult to do really. Though it would require character development for all three to make it "believable" so to speak.

Why would Sona become a bishop when she's a king of her own peerage that would be an idiotic step back in her character? What would happen to her families? She's shown extreme loyalty and a sense of responsibility for her family so her joining Issei's peerage makes absolutely no sense. Ravel has flat out asked Issei to let her become his bishop as did her mother, Asia is going to join Issei's peerage that is without question since she's extremely loyal to him and wants to be by him forever.

edit; I would like your thoughts on WHY she would want to join his peerage at all and what has she shown to suggest she'd even want to?

[Always86]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

You guys keep forgetting Ravel and Asia are his bishops. Both are set in stone.



Rias said she's retiring from the games after college to run the family business so she doesn't need new family members. Sona will not join Issei's harem it's illogical for since she's gonna be running her family too my money sais she'll either pick Sairorg, Saji or some other nameless noble.

What's the source on Rias leaving the games? Don't remember that.

That said Sona won't join Ise's peerage, certainly not as a bishop. I do wonder if Rias may join as Queen. But that's speculative, and based on nothing more than the romance of it.

[Biohazardous]

Not sure if he needs a MILF.

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by Always86

What's the source on Rias leaving the games? Don't remember that.

That said Sona won't join Ise's peerage, certainly not as a bishop. I do wonder if Rias may join as Queen. But that's speculative, and based on nothing more than the romance of it.

I'm not in the mood to actually look for it right now, but it's in there I assure you, I'm sure I'm not the only one that remembers that scene. Someone back me up here.

[Biohazardous]

Yes Asia was his first confirmed piece. She wants to be at his side til he dies. Ravel asked also. Xen also mentioned being his knight. I think Rias replacement bishop will be Valorie. Replacement knight probably the person Sona couldn't get. (Or was they a different piece?)

[Somethindarker]

I doubt Rias will need to replace anyone. Not all Kings have full sets or need them for that matter Rias will probably end up like being her mom or Ravels mom with a couple of pieces but most of them unused. After Isei makes her champion Rias will retire to run the family I can't remember the volume or chapter but it's in there.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

I doubt Rias will need to replace anyone. Not all Kings have full sets or need them for that matter Rias will probably end up like being her mom or Ravels mom with a couple of pieces but most of them unused. After Isei makes her champion Rias will retire to run the family I can't remember the volume or chapter but it's in there.

Rias is intending to go to the top of the Rating Game, she'll definitely need a complete peerage. You can't use Ravel or Rias's mom as examples since they don't participate in the games and are basically retired.

As for Issei making her champion, that'll take years, and it's not something she can accomplish without a full peerage.

[Somethindarker]

I meant after she retires from the ratings game, her family wants her to take over the family business and run things and Rias herself said she was gonna retire after college or shortly after so she won't need a complete peerage. Issei won't start his own until after he's made her champion you guys are under the impression that Issei is already going to make his peerage in a couple of days or something. By the time he starts to do that he'll already have made Rias champ, she'll be retired and the world would be relatively in piece, I doubt we'll even get to see him make his peerage in the novels since they're already at the tail end of the story Ishibumi stated in his blog that he's already thinking of possible sequels and side stories when that happens the end is near.

[S.Freedom]

@Somethindarker Sona would become Issie's bishop for the same reason Rias and Riser where forced into marriage. IE for the politics of the relationship. Neither family needed an heir because it was filled by Rias herself and to a lesser extent Milcas for Gremory. While Phenex had Riser and his older brother. So there marriage would have been purely political in nature. Any children they may have had would have been a nice bonus to the primary reason.

Same goes for Sona joining Issie's peerage. It would be politically motivated to raise the Sitiri families standing. As Issie himself is considered the hero of the underworld, while the Gremory family I believe is of higher social standing then the Sitiri family.* So it would be beneficial to her family to have a good relationship with a higher ranked family. And that's not even including the tie's she'd get to the Phenex family through Raval.

The combined influence of the Gremory/Sitiri/Phenex families could wield would be pretty big short of the maou I'd think.

*I vaguely remember the rankings of the various families. Of which I think Gremory out ranks Sitiri while being equal to Phenex

[GDB]

If she did anything based on politics, she'd already be married.

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by S.Freedom

@Somethindarker Sona would become Issie's bishop for the same reason Rias and Riser where forced into marriage. IE for the politics of the relationship. Neither family needed an heir because it was filled by Rias herself and to a lesser extent Milcas for Gremory. While Phenex had Riser and his older brother. So there marriage would have been purely political in nature. Any children they may have had would have been a nice bonus to the primary reason.

Same goes for Sona joining Issie's peerage. It would be politically motivated to raise the Sitiri families standing. As Issie himself is considered the hero of the underworld, while the Gremory family I believe is of higher social standing then the Sitiri family.* So it would be beneficial to her family to have a good relationship with a higher ranked family. And that's not even including the tie's she'd get to the Phenex family through Raval.

The combined influence of the Gremory/Sitiri/Phenex families could wield would be pretty big short of the maou I'd think.

*I vaguely remember the rankings of the various families. Of which I think Gremory out ranks Sitiri while being equal to Phenex

A "political" marriage makes absolutely no sense she would demote herself to a bishop(which both spots are already filled by Ravel and Asia btw plus there's no evidence that peices can be exchanged only traded), lose her position in her family because Issei is engaged to Rias already so her coming to their side is the only option and ignore her own peerage? So the Sitri family would willingly be absorbed into the Gremory even though one them is a Mao and is a top ranking Family? She'd go from heir of the Sitri to a servent of Issei? No man Sona's showed absolutely no interest in joining his peerage only a small crush that she wouldn't act on, just like people pushing for Gabriel, Yanaka or Evenhilde to join his harem no evidence to support the crack pairings.

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by S.Freedom

@Somethindarker Sona would become Issie's bishop for the same reason Rias and Riser where forced into marriage. IE for the politics of the relationship. Neither family needed an heir because it was filled by Rias herself and to a lesser extent Milcas for Gremory. While Phenex had Riser and his older brother. So there marriage would have been purely political in nature. Any children they may have had would have been a nice bonus to the primary reason.

Same goes for Sona joining Issie's peerage. It would be politically motivated to raise the Sitiri families standing. As Issie himself is considered the hero of the underworld, while the Gremory family I believe is of higher social standing then the Sitiri family.* So it would be beneficial to her family to have a good relationship with a higher ranked family. And that's not even including the tie's she'd get to the Phenex family through Raval.

The combined influence of the Gremory/Sitiri/Phenex families could wield would be pretty big short of the maou I'd think.

*I vaguely remember the rankings of the various families. Of which I think Gremory out ranks Sitiri while being equal to Phenex

If Ise was the kind of guy to accept political marriages Raizer would be married to Rias right now.

[S.Freedom]

Oi I think your misunderstanding something. I never said Sona would marry Issie. I was simply using Rias/Riser as an example.

Sona would be free to marry whoever the heck she wants. Just because she's Isse's bishop wouldn't prevent her from retaining the Sitiri name. Just like it wouldn't prevent Raval from losing the Phenex name. Or are you suggesting her mother through Raval away or some such?

And last I checked being a member of someone else's peerage doesn't mean you can't have your own peerage. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation because Issie himself would be able to have one. As he's already a member of Rias' peerage as her pawn.

As for the politics of it. Let's use the British nobility for a sec. At the bottom are Baron's, next we have viscounts, earls, marquess, dukes and at the very top the British monarchy. Sona would become Issie's "servant" for the same reason an earl becomes a dukes "servent". To increase his/her social standing by being associated with an individual of higher standing.

And make no mistake Issie as Ria' husband has higher social standing then Sona as heir to the Sitiri. Because in this instance Sona is the earl and Issie is the duke.

It seems I shot myself in the foot using the political angle. As I was hoping to use it to help folks understand why Sona join Issie. The major difference I see in Issie/Sona and Rias/Riser, is that Issie/Sona actually like each other. And it wouldn't be all that difficult to write the story in such a way that Sona would do something join Issie's peerage IMO.

Though it's a little late at this point to do so. I probably should point out I'm not actually in favor of Sona joining Issie's peerage. I'm just against knee jerk frothing at the mouth rejection of the idea that seems to be going around.

[Somethindarker]

I don't see her becoming a bishop at all. Ravel and Asia are already going to fill that position already why would she willingly demote herself? The cons outweigh the pros in that situation, the amount of gossip alone between the nobility would not make it worth it why are you so fixated on her becoming a bishop anyway? She's got her own family to run and peerage to maintain not to mention a school to run. The Sitri are probably the 3rd highest ranked nobility in the underworld and her joining his peerage does absolutely nothing for their standing.

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by S.Freedom

Oi I think your misunderstanding something. I never said Sona would marry Issie. I was simply using Rias/Riser as an example.

Sona would be free to marry whoever the heck she wants. Just because she's Isse's bishop wouldn't prevent her from retaining the Sitiri name. Just like it wouldn't prevent Raval from losing the Phenex name. Or are you suggesting her mother through Raval away or some such?

And last I checked being a member of someone else's peerage doesn't mean you can't have your own peerage. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation because Issie himself would be able to have one. As he's already a member of Rias' peerage as her pawn.

As for the politics of it. Let's use the British nobility for a sec. At the bottom are Baron's, next we have viscounts, earls, marquess, dukes and at the very top the British monarchy. Sona would become Issie's "servant" for the same reason an earl becomes a dukes "servent". To increase his/her social standing by being associated with an individual of higher standing.

And make no mistake Issie as Ria' husband has higher social standing then Sona as heir to the Sitiri. Because in this instance Sona is the earl and Issie is the duke.

You're saying all this with the assumption she'd be Ise's Bishop when it was already stated in the Novels his Bishops are Asia and Ravel. There's no reason for her to join Ise's harem or peerage. Not whatsoever. And who said she gives a shit about social standing? She only wants to build a school where everyone has equal footing regardless of social class. And if she was interested in politics, Sairaorg is a Great King and future Maou. By your logic he's a better candidate than Ise ever will be.

[Malicre]

Originally Posted by Chichiryuushintei

You're saying all this with the assumption she'd be Ise's Bishop when it was already stated in the Novels his Bishops are Asia and Ravel. There's no reason for her to join Ise's harem or peerage. Not whatsoever. And who said she gives a shit about social standing? She only wants to build a school where everyone has equal footing regardless of social class. And if she was interested in politics, Sairaorg is a Great King and future Maou. By your logic he's a better candidate than Ise ever will be.

Im not sure if i agree with you on Sairaorg being a better maou candidate than Ise, sure Sairaorg has the lineage but all the underworld kids (basically the next generation as a whole) look up to Ise / Oppai Dragon, he has great influence in the underworld, its one of the reasons Zekrum Bael wanted Ise to become a Maou.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by Malicre

Im not sure if i agree with you on Sairaorg being a better maou candidate than Ise, sure Sairaorg has the lineage but all the underworld kids (basically the next generation as a whole) look up to Ise / Oppai Dragon, he has great influence in the underworld, its one of the reasons Zekrum Bael wanted Ise to become a Maou.

Everything you said is right unfortunately Sairaorg is still a better candidate then issei. The best indication of why he is better would be many of the scenarios that occurred leading up to and during the battle with Issei and at the young devils meeting.

In the young devils meeting the two groups (the names escape me atm but its not important) are getting into a fight and sairoarg who by no means needs to step in steps in and ends it and is peaceful enough to not only console the female but make sure that the male gets his treatment he only goes far enough.

The battle with issei and Sairoarg he did quite a few great things.
1. Even though Issei's team had quite a few abilities that many considered unfair and illegal he accepted everything because he felt that he'd rather lose honorably then win because of a handicap.
2. He came up with a system that everybody gets what they want. He realized that while a normal rating game would be fine everybody wanted to see him versus Issei and a typical rating game wouldnt be a good view.
3. He stopped the match between Issei and the Queen because he cared about his subordinate enough that he wouldnt want her death on his hands.
4 (and one of my personal favorites).

[Sairaorg-sama! Use me! Please “wear” me! If it’s that Balance-Breaker, then you will transcend Sekiryuutei! Are you trying to throw away a match that you can win-]
The lion said that. Wear it……? The lion? Balance-Breaker? Then Sairaorg-san made an angry roar.
“Close your mouth! That…..That is the power I decided to use only during a crisis in the Underworld! What will come out of it if I use that in front of this man!? I will fight this man, only with this body!”
…….I see. P

Doing this gave me the greatest respect ever for Sairoarg because he has a noble spirit and he wanted to fight on his terms. Knowing whats at stake knowing that he may lose he refused to use his best weapon and a weapon that may have won him the match.
Sairoag is a better Maou because of things like this. He's got everything issei does but better and really the only edge Issei has is the Oppai Dragon show which put him on the map.

[Somethindarker]

@ImperialFlame
To add a little bit, Sairorg has shown that he's not only smarter and more capable as a leader than Issei is and he's got the well being of the underworld first and foremost in his mind. Issei, while he fights for good causes, is an idiot and pervert only suitable to be a figure head and pretty much everyone around Issei knows that. Issei isn't Maou material not now at least, maybe in a few hundred years.