(L) Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou

[orion]

Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

I really have to wonder what's the point of adapting something if you are going to rush it this badly.

Maybe there are OVAs being planned for the funnier stuff like the parts just skipped.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

This has got to be one of the WORST adaptations for an LN that i've seen in a long time. It's as though the studio never expected to do more then 1 season. It's a shame because the story is really good but this... this is just trash

[Go0gleplex]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

This has got to be one of the WORST adaptations for an LN that i've seen in a long time. It's as though the studio never expected to do more then 1 season. It's a shame because the story is really good but this... this is just trash

I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling that way.

This is definitely one of those cases where if you don't have the time and budget to do things properly and not cut out half the bloody story, don't do the project.

[Frontier]

In comes a busty rabbit girl in a skimpy outfit! Now that Yue's not naked, someone needs to take over the majority of the show's fanservice .

Man, I feel kind of bad for Shea. She tries her best but she hardly gets any acknowledgement for it. The worst that can be said about her is that she has a high opinion of her looks, which isn't all that unreasonable. But she's found love in her own way, even if it's not reciprocated, and people she feels companionship with, so that's a win in its own right .

Hajime is definitely pretty far from your typical "hero." He's not interested in helping people or getting involved in anything that doesn't concern him or Yue, and even if he does help it'll have a bit of an edge to it. Makes early Naofumi look like a saint by comparison .

Although ironically Yue, having the more monotone and softer voice, seems to have a bit more of a heart judging by her eventually acquiescing to Shea and her reaction to the little girl with a flower. She won't coddle any other woman after Hajime though .

Yeah, Hajime likes 'em short and flat. Not that I disagree with Shea's assessment of herself .

Yeah, I did get the feeling they were skipping a lot of content with all those scenes of stuff happening with no dialogue, especially with the long-eared folk the rabbitmen seemed very concerned about .

Not really sure how to feel about Hajime turning a peaceful and loving race into a more violent and bloodthirsty one. But I guess he has his own potential personal army now ?

Hey, Sayaka Ohara as Shea's mom .

It's kind of interesting that Hajime is picking up more more "partners" on his quest to return home, even if they're unaware of what exactly that home is like. I guess Shea can always pretend she's a cosplayer .

[frodonk]

Wow, that was bad, I mean they switched to text cards midway through the episode, and those jarring transitions made me dizzy.

I feel really bad for the fans of the source material. There's definitely a good story buried in here, but this adaptation is shit, sad to say. I'm still going to watch the rest of this though lol

Anyway, looks like Yue also learned how to use makeup in that dungeon, and this rabbit girl is annoying, I hope that part gets better next episode lol.

[thundrakkon]

As an anime only viewer, this series feels very disjointed, and I can't get into the story, whatever parts they actually have. They sometimes try to focus too much on Yue trying to do cute things, which throws the rest of the story off. In a way, it doesn't even fit, since Yue is hundreds of years old and not some child moe.


Right now, I'm enjoying Maou-sama, Retry! so much more than this, even though Retry's animation is horrible. It's just funny and doesn't try to be what it's not. It's just so much fun.


I know that there is a good story somewhere in Arifureta, but I just haven't seen it yet. I just don't feel any attachment to the characters.

[4th Dimension]

Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

I really have to wonder what's the point of adapting something if you are going to rush it this badly.

Marketing. For the suits who tend to order these LN anime adaptations seem to be just there to advertise the novels or manga. And you can see how marketing driven it is given the scenes chosen. They think that the main drive of these novels is the harem of cute girls, so they are the most prominent thing and only scenes related to them are allowed to be shown.
Also probably the reason why they are rushing so much so they can show all of the core waifus.

Originally Posted by orion

Maybe there are OVAs being planned for the funnier stuff like the parts just skipped.

Well, there have been a bunch of short animations on twitter of all places animating some scenes, and TBH these are better quality than this nonsense.

Originally Posted by Frontier

Hajime is definitely pretty far from your typical "hero." He's not interested in helping people or getting involved in anything that doesn't concern him or Yue, and even if he does help it'll have a bit of an edge to it. Makes early Naofumi look like a saint by comparison .

Naofumi is a goody two shoes and the situation he is in is allowing him to do his goody parts more than his ass parts. Hajime... broke COMPLETELY in the abyss to the point he is the Monster of the Abyss rather than anything resembling his old self. Hell I don't think he can be considered human any longer. He isn't hiding his caring beneath the armor of edge, he just doesn't care about anyone but scant few people.

So yeah, he is definitely not your "I'm so edgey, but I help everyone even if they don't have anything in it for me" hero.

Originally Posted by Frontier

Although ironically Yue, having the more monotone and softer voice, seems to have a bit more of a heart judging by her eventually acquiescing to Shea and her reaction to the little girl with a flower. She won't coddle any other woman after Hajime though .

We haven't seen the solders scene where he casually executes a surrendered foe who got in his way. Most LN heroes would justify letting that man go, or imprisoning him or something. Hajime just blew him away after he got the answers from him. It even made Yue flinch.

Part of the reason she accepts Shea and later others is that she want Hajime to mellow out a bit so they can have a life, and adding attachments to him seems to help with that. And that's in part why she is okay with Shea joining. And she is impressed how quickly OP Bunny got good enough.

Originally Posted by Frontier

Yeah, Hajime likes 'em short and flat. Not that I disagree with Shea's assessment of herself .

NOT A LOLICON, ABSOLUTELY NOT A LOLICON

Originally Posted by Frontier

Yeah, I did get the feeling they were skipping a lot of content with all those scenes of stuff happening with no dialogue, especially with the long-eared folk the rabbitmen seemed very concerned about .

Long eared folk? We've seen the bear men... ah, those are elves who are also considered beast kin by Demons and Humans. So I don't "spoil" let's just say that Hulia at that point were outlaws since they haven't kiled Shea when they learned she can do magic. This is the reason they were on the run and why Shea was in the gorge trying to find help. Not that we see much of anything of Hajime doing his end of the bargain. And oh yeah, the elf is pretty much the leader of the council governing the beast folk.

For more see my spoiler text in my last post. It contains just the info about loads of shit they cut.

Originally Posted by Frontier

Not really sure how to feel about Hajime turning a peaceful and loving race into a more violent and bloodthirsty one. But I guess he has his own potential personal army now ?

Well... it's not like he needs an army. At this point he is a LITERAL ONE MAN ARMY as we'll see in the arc after this one. On the other hand he did make a bunch of sadistic SpecOps wetwork operatives, and flipped the entire power balance of the Woods, given that now the top predators FEAR the most the fleeting glimpses of rabbit ears and their sadistic laughter from bushes.

Originally Posted by Frontier

It's kind of interesting that Hajime is picking up more more "partners" on his quest to return home, even if they're unaware of what exactly that home is like. I guess Shea can always pretend she's a cosplayer .

I mean he KNOWS what his home is. He wants to go back to Japan, Earth. It's the entire reason for doing more Labythinths. Since Orkus one gave him a special magic, others will probably do the same, and one of them might have the spell for travel between worlds.

Now how would he fit in in Japan any longer... that is a genuine worry he tries really hard to keep buried deep.

Originally Posted by frodonk

Anyway, looks like Yue also learned how to use makeup in that dungeon, and this rabbit girl is annoying, I hope that part gets better next episode lol.

Well, Yue used to be a princess and a ruler, so I'd think she'd know about makeup She just didn't have the chance while they were trying just to survive

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

As an anime only viewer, this series feels very disjointed, and I can't get into the story, whatever parts they actually have. They sometimes try to focus too much on Yue trying to do cute things, which throws the rest of the story off. In a way, it doesn't even fit, since Yue is hundreds of years old and not some child moe.


Right now, I'm enjoying Maou-sama, Retry! so much more than this, even though Retry's animation is horrible. It's just funny and doesn't try to be what it's not. It's just so much fun.


I know that there is a good story somewhere in Arifureta, but I just haven't seen it yet. I just don't feel any attachment to the characters.

Thank you because this is my point. It's a fantastic story but they've screwed it up so badly that it looks bad. This is a 3 episode arc and they slammed it into 1 and didn't even do a good job of it.

[moridin84]

Mostly sad about the rush because it cut down Shia's screentime.

They ramped up Shia's cutesy-ness a bit too high I think.

Although it resulted in this so I can't complain.

Spoiler for screenshot:

This one image makes it worth watching the previous 5 episodes.

[frodonk]

Originally Posted by 4th Dimension

Well, Yue used to be a princess and a ruler, so I'd think she'd know about makeup She just didn't have the chance while they were trying just to survive

She definitely didn't have anything on her when Hajime took her out of that dungeon so either she had Hajime make them for her, which is likely or she found some in that mansion

[Firefly00]

Originally Posted by 4th Dimension

Marketing. For the suits who tend to order these LN anime adaptations seem to be just there to advertise the novels or manga. And you can see how marketing driven it is given the scenes chosen. They think that the main drive of these novels is the harem of cute girls, so they are the most prominent thing and only scenes related to them are allowed to be shown.
Also probably the reason why they are rushing so much so they can show all of the core waifus.

So the questions have to be asked:

• does this kind of hack job, which is disrespectful of the artists and writers who put so much work into the original material, actually work?
• do these people actually do any research into what draws people to the source material in the first place, or are they living proof of what assuming?
• what would happen if the majority of LN artists/writers said 'adapt it right or don't bother' and stuck to their guns?

Hajime... broke COMPLETELY in the abyss to the point he is the Monster of the Abyss rather than anything resembling his old self. Hell I don't think he can be considered human any longer. He isn't hiding his caring beneath the armor of edge, he just doesn't care about anyone but scant few people.

So, to sum up (again): whoever thought it'd be a good idea to try and kill him (pushing him into the abyss, knowing full well that rescuing him would be nigh-on impossible for them) came this close to, well, Creating Their Own Villian/Nice Job Breaking It, Hero. On which note, I have to wonder if there's an isekai wherein this does in fact happen...

Well... it's not like he needs an army. At this point he is a LITERAL ONE MAN ARMY as we'll see in the arc after this one. On the other hand he did make a bunch of sadistic SpecOps wetwork operatives, and flipped the entire power balance of the Woods, given that now the top predators FEAR the most the fleeting glimpses of rabbit ears and their sadistic laughter from bushes.

This instance of Gone Horribly Right amuses me. Had it included extensive use of red-trimmed black and a certain logo including a scorpion's tail and a chamfered triangle, that... would have been icing.

I mean he KNOWS what his home is. He wants to go back to Japan, Earth. It's the entire reason for doing more Labythinths. Since Orkus one gave him a special magic, others will probably do the same, and one of them might have the spell for travel between worlds.

And if I recall correctly, he'd like to make sure that they can't recall him. This could be accomplished by either ensuring nobody can use such a ritual, or making very clear that they would not long survive doing so.

Now how would he fit in in Japan any longer... that is a genuine worry he tries really hard to keep buried deep.

With all the isekai out there, I'd be disappointed if some writer out there isn't seriously considering this a plot seed in its own right...

[Magewolf]

Originally Posted by Firefly00

With all the isekai out there, I'd be disappointed if some writer out there isn't seriously considering this a plot seed in its own right...

Already been done. The world of Hagure Yūsha no Esutetika had so many returning isekai protagonists(who stayed powered up even back home) that they had set up a school system for them.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by moridin84

Mostly sad about the rush because it cut down Shia's screentime.

They ramped up Shia's cutesy-ness a bit too high I think.

Although it resulted in this so I can't complain.

Spoiler for screenshot:

This one image makes it worth watching the previous 5 episodes.

As far as cuteness goes i wouldn't go there but okay

Originally Posted by Firefly00

So the questions have to be asked:
[LIST][*]does this kind of hack job, which is disrespectful of the artists and writers who put so much work into the original material, actually work?[*]do these people actually do any research into what draws people to the source material in the first place, or are they living proof of what assuming?[*]what would happen if the majority of LN artists/writers said 'adapt it right or don't bother' and stuck to their guns?

So, to sum up (again): whoever thought it'd be a good idea to try and kill him (pushing him into the abyss, knowing full well that rescuing him would be nigh-on impossible for them) came this close to, well, Creating Their Own Villian/Nice Job Breaking It, Hero. On which note, I have to wonder if there's an isekai wherein this does in fact happen...

To answer your first point. I don't honestly believe the writers of LNs care as much about anime's as you would think. I think for them, just seeing their story made into an anime is a big enough deal that how good it does doesn't matter. Especially in today's society where they know it will never get to completion.

To answer the second point. The whole idea of doing what that guy did was to kill him. the fact that it backfired is another matter entirely.

Getting back to the horrific rush job, I'm beginning to understand why they're doing it and the problem was they got too few episodes. In 13 episodes they couldn't reach the intended point without shredding stuff. It's not uncommon but it's annoying practice. I think the last 3 episodes give or take will be CRITICAL to the plan

[4th Dimension]

Originally Posted by Firefly00

So the questions have to be asked:

• does this kind of hack job, which is disrespectful of the artists and writers who put so much work into the original material, actually work?
• do these people actually do any research into what draws people to the source material in the first place, or are they living proof of what assuming?
• what would happen if the majority of LN artists/writers said 'adapt it right or don't bother' and stuck to their guns?

1st: It probably works somewhat. Sometimes it's enough for some part of the audience to be exposed to the hook to go and check the novels out. Hell we've had here in this thread people who said they thought the concept interesting and even though the anime is bad the concept got them to go check it out. Now it would of course be much better if it's done competently, but by this point bland workmen like adaptations are a thing some studios do.
2nd: I mean, they are probably not wrong that harem shenanigans are one of key bits of Arifureta, but basing it on JUST THAT is bad yes.
3rd: In a way this is a case of writter trying to assert his view over the production. He got the initial script and storyboards and designs and didn't like them one bit and demanded a rework. And so they did. We'll never know how actually bad or were they even worse than this nonsense rather than just uninspired. But it's highly likely that in a process of trying to have a second studio rework things to tehnically appease the writter they made things even WORSE. I'm half thinking that all the CGI monsters are CGI because the second studio didn't have time to do proper animation on them so they went with cheap off the shelf models with no textures.
Also you never really know how good or bad the anime will be. At the point the writter is let know how it might look it might be waaaay too late to correct and your publisher has already spent a lot of money on this, so it's either publish it or record all that money as a loss.

Originally Posted by Firefly00

So, to sum up (again): whoever thought it'd be a good idea to try and kill him (pushing him into the abyss, knowing full well that rescuing him would be nigh-on impossible for them) came this close to, well, Creating Their Own Villian/Nice Job Breaking It, Hero. On which note, I have to wonder if there's an isekai wherein this does in fact happen...

Originally Posted by Firefly00

This instance of Gone Horribly Right amuses me. Had it included extensive use of red-trimmed black and a certain logo including a scorpion's tail and a chamfered triangle, that... would have been icing.

Considering that the being who brought them is a sadistic bastard who brought them mostly to suffer, the Gone Horribly Right/Bad depending on view extends to multiple levels

Originally Posted by Firefly00

And if I recall correctly, he'd like to make sure that they can't recall him. This could be accomplished by either ensuring nobody can use such a ritual, or making very clear that they would not long survive doing so.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't start thinking of that untill near the end. Long way from here.

[RDNexus]

Well, @ImperialFlameGod8190, if A Sister is all I Need serves as an example...
There MAY BE LN Writers out there yearning to see their works adapted to anime, only to see their wishes come true in the most twisted way possible.
You believing that, IN THIS DAY AND AGE, seems quite small thinking in my book.
Arifureta's author must have (and may still be) suffering hell from this adaptation.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by xrick

Well, @ImperialFlameGod8190, if A Sister is all I Need serves as an example...
There MAY BE LN Writers out there yearning to see their works adapted to anime, only to see their wishes come true in the most twisted way possible.
You believing that, IN THIS DAY AND AGE, seems quite small thinking in my book.
Arifureta's author must have (and may still be) suffering hell from this adaptation.

The only reference to this day and age is the fact that most stories will never be truly completed particularly LNs of the Length of Arifureta. The author's of LNs or long WNs are aware that seeing the whole story completed is impossible so seeing even a part of it done is still an amazing achievement.

The one who is narrow thinking is you by saying oh the author must be horrified that it's been messed up this bad instead of saying, it got animated and that is enough. What you're also forgetting is that as bad of a rush job as it is, there's still enough in there to make people want to read the real story.

[RDNexus]

Yeah, because anime-only folks and fans of a story can't enjoy good things, right?
«Here's your adaptation. Didn't like it? Wasn't good enough? Go read the source material!»
That's all we can get nowadays, I guess? Then I'm sorry if my thinking is narrow in your book.

Many people are quite demanding nowadays when it comes to adaptations, originals, games, whatever.
People like me simply wanted a decently adapted story. Is it asking too much? It seems so, to you.

And even if their stories never get fully adapted, has an author to feel satisfied with whatever half-baked adaptation falls on their laps? I don't think so.

[4th Dimension]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

The one who is narrow thinking is you by saying oh the author must be horrified that it's been messed up this bad instead of saying, it got animated and that is enough. What you're also forgetting is that as bad of a rush job as it is, there's still enough in there to make people want to read the real story.

I mean, in this particular case we know the writter was very much horrified at the first version he was presented with...

But yes, I feel a lot of authors are just glad something of their own is getting adapted with might mean more royalties and more people giving the books a chance. After all there are FAR more LNs than adaptations which makes even bad adaptations stand out to people who are looking for something to read among the crowd.

[RDNexus]

Not that I don't understand your thinking. But does that justify screwing up adaptations?
Do anime-only folks and fans of such stories have to enjoy bad adaptations?
Not everyone reads novels or wants to. Heck, even I'm only reading a handful of novels.

Arifureta is one of such novels I'm following, and enjoying a lot.
So I can say that I'm VERY disappointed with the end result of this adaptation.
If I wasn't reading the novels already, I sure as heck wouldn't pick them up.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Firefly00

With all the isekai out there, I'd be disappointed if some writer out there isn't seriously considering this a plot seed in its own right...

How "seriously" do you mean? Because there's one where the returning protagonist tries to make a living as a youtuber, showing off his magic.

There's also more vanilla stuff where the protagonist just goes to school and meets superpowered girls (who weren't isekaied) and thinks they're chuunis for believing in magic.

Or you can get into the Chinese stuff where the protagonist is a returning cultivator instead of having RPG-like powers. There's a lot of those.