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View Poll Results: Nisemonogatari - Total Series Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 17 | 16.50% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 39 | 37.86% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 23 | 22.33% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 17 | 16.50% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 2.91% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 1.94% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 1.94% | |
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2013-09-14, 11:27 | Link #81 | |
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2013-09-14, 11:51 | Link #82 | |
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You are slipping away from the fact that the author elaborates most of the stuff in his novels in the most detailed way possible. |
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2013-09-14, 12:22 | Link #85 |
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If Nisio wrote that much detail into everything then it only showed in Bake while Nise was lost in adaptation. That or Nise's anime is also faithful to its light novel and the source material is a lot of elaboration yet still barely progresses a story-driven series.
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2013-09-14, 12:43 | Link #86 | |
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Nise is the stage where some new characters were being introduced for latter plot developments in next entries/season and Nise itself is made for the sisters, thus to present their behavior and attitudes as well as their relation with apparition/oddities phenomenons. There is definitely no fillers written or adapted. The nonsensical talks/conversation (as you said so but not me myself) is to show the psychology of the characters and this is a very important as their psychology will take effect as the story progresses. Adaptation wise, Nise is a fine adaptation although it does got some flaws here and there but that will be covered later. The story is adapted accordingly to its original sources I presume. |
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2013-09-14, 13:06 | Link #87 | |
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2013-09-14, 13:23 | Link #88 | |
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And for the bolded part, the answer is a 'Yes'. The Second Season will continue on where Nise left off and took the events that happened in Bake and Nise as the basis. |
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2013-09-14, 13:28 | Link #89 | |
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Though you do realize I was aware of the show being about Koyomi's sisters in my review right.
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2013-09-14, 14:12 | Link #90 | |
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First of all, anime ≠ light novels. The anime is an adaptation of the light novels where they try to cut the most out of the original books while still trying to make sense. (Bake actually included even anime original scenes!) The main difference between Bake and the other books is that Bake was comprised of 5 short introductive stories, which were about 150 pages long (with Tsubasa Cat being longer). After Bake each story got a whole 300 pages long book for itself, so ideally even in the anime the arcs must get more episodes. I suppose the episodes an arc gets is based on the number of conversations between different characters. You can cut pretty easily a long dialogue (for example, at the beginning of Nadeko Snake there were 40 pages of conversation between Kanbaru and Araragi), but you can't cut many small interactions, which is (probably) why Karen Bee got so many episodes and a pace comparatively slower. Another thing to mind is what they cut from the anime, which is mostly Araragi's thoughts. As this is a first person narration, his thoughts are obviously very important for the comprehension of the story. All the more in Nise when they contained the punchline of many gags. For example, when Araragi visits Nadeko, all the humor was about how Araragi insisted in seeing her as a child despite Nadeko's questionable behaviour. This was "lost in adaptation". While seeing Nise I tried to reread the original novels. Frankly I was disappointed, so now I avoid rereading the novels anymore. I wouldn't say Monogatari is really story-driven. Of course, Bake is the love story between Araragi and Senjougahara, but as a whole there are mostly arcs about individual characters. There kind of is an overarching plot, but it shouldn't be the first thing you focus on. Monogatari is still a mystery at heart though. |
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2013-09-14, 14:19 | Link #91 | |
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From what you have written in your 'review', I would say that you are not trying to understand the whole concept of the series itself, rather you just blatantly trying to compare the actual fact of the series to your own expectation for the series. I said so because I read the novels myself (though not Bake and Nise, I started with Kizu and jump straight to the Second Season and 3rd season series) and I find that your 'review' is not constructive at all. |
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I see. It can't be helped then. Whether you are able or not to cope with this such premise, I suggest to you to not expect the next one to be normal paced stories. They are even worse than Nise in term of dragged 'plot'.
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In Karen Bee the mystery is at first the reason why Araragi has been kidnapped by Senjougahara, which is progressively explained in a flashback where we see how he has spent his day, and where each encounter with a different girl tend to hint at Kaiki. When the story goes back to the present, then we have the case of the Fire Bee, which is more typical Monogatari fare. Even the first part though is told as a mystery through brilliant non-linear storytelling. Anyway, I can see why you have problems with the first part. It works in a book and it would work as a movie (there are many movie which starts with the end and then tells the story as a flashback), but I don't think it works well as an episodic TV series. Coupled with the fact that the jokes were denaturated, it was easy on the eyes but it didn't make a lot of sense and was not even funny, unlike the original novels. The problem though is more in the medium, not in the story itself. Quote:
My supposition is that Nise was a turning point for Monogatari. Nisio planned all the whole first season, but obviously you don't know if your books will ever be successful, so possibly he first predicted Nise to be the last book chronologically (Tsukihi Phoenix at the time was indeed announced to be the last book, with Neko Kuro as an extra possibly), and then when he saw Monogatari was economically viable he expanded the story. In this regard, it is not weird for Karen Bee to include all the cast, and it is not even weird that they were more extreme than ever, as this was the last we were going to see of them. Quote:
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2013-09-16, 20:06 | Link #95 |
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Maybe Nisio's not at fault for how Nise's anime turned out but it's still a storytelling problem for an anime-only watcher. And I was only talking about Nise's anime until someone else alluded Nisio which eventually led to my acknowledgment of this anime being an adaptation which I initially avoided.
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2013-09-16, 20:52 | Link #96 |
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Okay. I take the blame for my attitude here which is trying to convince you something but turned out it didn't work at all. Hell, I am not good at explaining stuff to people.
1. Given that Nise is probably the worst of the series for the draggy plot, it is still relevant to the story. You mentioned those or some conversations in Nise are pointless. You are wrong here onward. Those conversation was intended to show the nature of characters involved and how they tackled their opponent with those heavy dialogues. Those conversations also, as mentioned by Shikijin, are to show the characters' psychology. Each of them. None of the characters in this series are pointless, they are interconnected to each of the other and they are also the cause of the events related to them and to their surrounding. 2. Karen and Tsukihi are not the only subject matter to the word "Nise" in this arc. You seem to be forgetting the most important aspect/subject related to the word "falsehood" itself. That is why here I keep telling you that you are still not getting the gist of the concept behind the story and the title used. 3. I myself trying to avoid novel-related stuff, but it is hard to do the explaining stuff without referring to the original sources itself as the anime is too condensed (yeah, they it's true). 4. Another thing, if you missed the colored frames (those flashed cuts), just try to read them all. |
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Bake and Nise aren't hard to understand; the latter was hard to adapt.
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So far, I've watched Bakemonogatari, Nekomonogatari, and Nisemonogatari. It seemed to me that there were some inconsistencies in Nekomonogatari, but the other two meshed well. Also, in spite of some inconsistencies, reading Nekomonogatari did set things up for me to better follow Nisemonogatari.
I should explain that I'm studying the Japanese language, so an anime with a lot of dialogue is not a problem for me. Also, I identify strongly with Koyomi and Senjougahara because I also had a pretty rotten childhood and can appreciate their difficulty with issues of trust. Aside from that, I feel I'm being given a detailed exploration of several philosophies and Koyomi's efforts to resolve them into his personal philosophy. Probably, somewhere, there are college courses that go into the philosophical implications of the series. Shinbou was developed further, as well as her relationship with Koyomi. This actually starts in Nekomonogatari, but goes much further in Nisemonogatari. I must say I've seen lots of variations of the vampire legend, but this is a new wrinkle. The last story was intriguing. I've seen this idea explored in other manga and anime. That is, who determines who is in a family? Spoiler for The Phoenix:
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2015-07-07, 20:13 | Link #99 | |
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Also, the phoenix is no threat at all. Kagenui hunts Tsukihi because she feels that it is her duty to kill all immortal beings because they are still kaii. |
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2015-07-08, 16:33 | Link #100 | |
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