Mahouka - Episode 9 Discussion / Poll

[IceHism]

Originally Posted by rladls2121

But then I'm seeing this "Jesus Tatsuya" or "Super Tatsuya" whatever some people calls him like that, it is still contradicting because that butler Aoki of all people calls him "fake magician".

To think even his analysis ability is also the part of "fake magician" ability.
So he got the top score on the "Paper Test" because not he was smart, it was actually his ability as a "fake magician".

No, he naturally has great memory. He would have scored similar to Miyuki on the theoretical test who placed second on it even without his fake magician-ness. His operation gave him perfect/photographic memory as a side-effect.

[rladls2121]

Even, without his fake magician abilities that is still greater than any other Course 2 students.
I m looking forward to his cause of his motivation.
His smoothness is also part of his natural skill.

Tatsuya sitting with Kei, silently in the van.
Miyuki and Kei's fiancee depressed about not sitting on the bus next to their "boyfriend" next to each other.

And Morisaki, pointing his CAD gun to the car on fire towards him telling it to "disappear" really amused me as if he is really going to make that thing disappear like magic.

[Forbin]

Was Isori supposed to look so Baby Faced?

Kanon looks like Kanon, Emi is too over the top, and I don't like Subaru's design at all, looks like a male to me.

[Ickarium]

It was because of both.

And yeah. Isori is supposed to be. He's described in the books as 'girly' and 'pretty'. He's supposed to look kinda young and bishi.

[kukuru]

Well we can surmise what Tatsuya's abilities generally are. Whether through experimentation or training.

Being a Guardian means he's a glorified bodyguard so the quality of a body guard are not if directly stuck into him would be trained from childhood to receive.

Kinda of the darker side to society as it should. The wall garden magical high school life is obvious a front for magicians that hides a dark underbelly.

[hsmsful1]

I don't even understand anything anymore
Ok I got that Silver Taurus is in fact Tatsuya
But here's the difficult part to understand , so his mother is Miya Totsuba the older sister of the current head (their aunt Maya) , and his father is a "shiba" who married into the Totsuba family and gave birth to Miyuki and Tatsuya but Tatsuya's magical skills were not up to scratch unlike his sister Miyuki so he was being looked down on? and his sister will be the successor because of that even if his skills are superior? and it seems he is supposed to hate his mother "Miya" because she did bad things that will be revealed later? I watched that part (with the butler ) several times to clarify things for me but I can't really understand anything more than that!

[Ickarium]

Okay. Here's how it goes down. Their father marries the mother. She's a Yotsuba. But when she dies, he becomes a Shiba (or was always one) because he doesn't have the talent to be in the main house, regardless of marrying his mother.

As for Tatsuya, it's ... complicated. Think of him as the Big Guy and the Smart Guy. His magical talent, such as it is, is really powerful and rare. But it's a hammer. This is awesome. But his other magic talents are really poor, and the Yotsuba apparently measure you not by 'how awesome' your talent is, but how broad you are. Tatsuya's magical talents, as we've been demonstrated so far, are relatively weak other than his power. He just uses them incredibly skillfully. They basically want Miyuki-types, who are great at all sorts of magic, rather than someone who is great at one thing (even if a powerful thing) and weak at the others.

Miyuki's the Ace. She might not be as smart as Tatsuya, nor have his special power. But she can do everything really well, magically, and is really smart herself. Remember, she was like #2 or #3, I don't recall, in the magical theory. She's /smart/. Tatsuya's just smarter. But in pure magical potential, she's above him.

[Ultragunner]

Originally Posted by Forbin

Was Isori supposed to look so Baby Faced?

Kanon looks like Kanon, Emi is too over the top, and I don't like Subaru's design at all, looks like a male to me.

Well, she IS supposed to be like that, the type of girl that other girls will look up to , a bit like Mari to be honest (though not identical)

[zerozeronine]

Originally Posted by Ickarium

Okay. Here's how it goes down. Their father marries the mother. She's a Yotsuba. But when she dies, he becomes a Shiba (or was always one) because he doesn't have the talent to be in the main house, regardless of marrying his mother.

As for Tatsuya, it's ... complicated. Think of him as the Big Guy and the Smart Guy. His magical talent, such as it is, is really powerful and rare. But it's a hammer. He can basically destroy things. This is awesome. But his other magic talents are really poor, and the Yotsuba apparently measure you not by 'how awesome' your talent is, but how broad you are. Tatsuya's magical talents, as we've been demonstrated so far, are relatively weak other than his 'break things' power. He just uses them incredibly skillfully. They basically want Miyuki-types, who are great at all sorts of magic, rather than someone who is great at one thing (even if a powerful thing) and weak at the others.

Miyuki's the Ace. She might not be as smart as Tatsuya, nor have his special power. But she can do everything really well, magically, and is really smart herself. Remember, she was like #2 or #3, I don't recall, in the magical theory. She's /smart/. Tatsuya's just smarter. But in pure magical potential, she's above him.

I think you should spoiler tag that,as some of them hasn't been touched upon by the anime.especially his

Spoiler for for minor spoiler:

"break things power"

[Preciize]

Originally Posted by Ickarium

Okay. Here's how it goes down. Their father marries the mother. She's a Yotsuba. But when she dies, he becomes a Shiba (or was always one) because he doesn't have the talent to be in the main house, regardless of marrying his mother.

As for Tatsuya, it's ... complicated. Think of him as the Big Guy and the Smart Guy. His magical talent, such as it is, is really powerful and rare. But it's a hammer. He can basically destroy things. This is awesome. But his other magic talents are really poor, and the Yotsuba apparently measure you not by 'how awesome' your talent is, but how broad you are. Tatsuya's magical talents, as we've been demonstrated so far, are relatively weak other than his 'break things' power. He just uses them incredibly skillfully. They basically want Miyuki-types, who are great at all sorts of magic, rather than someone who is great at one thing (even if a powerful thing) and weak at the others.

Miyuki's the Ace. She might not be as smart as Tatsuya, nor have his special power. But she can do everything really well, magically, and is really smart herself. Remember, she was like #2 or #3, I don't recall, in the magical theory. She's /smart/. Tatsuya's just smarter. But in pure magical potential, she's above him.

So on one hand, most of the members in the family shun Tatsuya because they see him as a failure and someone not worthy of having the Yotsuba name. On the other hand, a few like Maya, the head of the family, sees the extent of his powers and abilities (even though he doesn't have the talent they're looking for), and wants to keep him on a leash by making him Miyuki's guardian.

So it seems that right now the family (referring to Maya and the ones in power) is just playing politics and kicking Tatsuya out because his interests do not align with theirs. But I still don't understand where the hatred is originating from in the first place. Is it as simple as Tatsuya being born without having the kind of talent that Miyuki has?

Probably rambling on now. I just think that the animosity and hate goes deeper (and seems different) than just being viewed as a failure.

[Ickarium]

Can't really say, as that is a spoiler. (Also, just looked, he does mention his destroy things power in the anime - and show it in the first episode opening, so it's cool!) His and Miyuki's past you're asking about are originally from LN8, but as it's pretty important to his history, they might shift it forward as it's a flashback LN anyway.

[Preciize]

Originally Posted by Ickarium

Can't really say, as that is a spoiler. (Also, just looked, he does mention his destroy things power in the anime - and show it in the first episode opening, so it's cool!) His and Miyuki's past you're asking about are originally from LN8, but as it's pretty important to his history, they might shift it forward as it's a flashback LN anyway.

Well if it's going to be touched on later, that's fine. Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything. If I really get the urge to know, I'll head to the LN thread and ask.

[~Yami~]

at least, they explain Shiba's siblings' past more deeper now

so, we could see how Tatsuya got respected and cared so much in FLT Corporation.... then he got despised by a butler from his aunt's clan... after that, we could see how Course 2 students still discriminated (fewer applause and didn't manage to ride a bus)

well, I'm glad that Mayumi actually tried to bring Tatsuya in the bus (by asking to sit by her side) but too bad that Tatsuya could shot down any flag easily (well, Hatate Souta from kanojo flag got a rival now)
That Kanon girl must be sad to be separated by her fiancee for a silly reason...

and look at these students... when they saw an accident, no one is freaking out...
rather than being afraid, they want to be heroes

[Ickarium]

Note: Course 2 has nothing to do with the bus. The engineers ride in their own bus with the equipment.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by Preciize

So on one hand, most of the members in the family shun Tatsuya because they see him as a failure and someone not worthy of having the Yotsuba name. On the other hand, a few like Maya, the head of the family, sees the extent of his powers and abilities (even though he doesn't have the talent they're looking for), and wants to keep him on a leash by making him Miyuki's guardian.

So it seems that right now the family (referring to Maya and the ones in power) is just playing politics and kicking Tatsuya out because his interests do not align with theirs. But I still don't understand where the hatred is originating from in the first place. Is it as simple as Tatsuya being born without having the kind of talent that Miyuki has?

Probably rambling on now. I just think that the animosity and hate goes deeper (and seems different) than just being viewed as a failure.

Personally I interpreted Aoki as being irritated Tatsuya has too much (in his opinion) influence over Miyuki and getting more and more pissed as Tatsuya basically kept turning his own words against him. I also question just how much Aoki knows he refers to Tatsuya as a mere escort when he is in fact one of the more valuable employees at the company even disregarding family issues it's not wise to insult an employee that is a legend in his field.

[Preciize]

Originally Posted by kagato3

Personally I interpreted Aoki as being irritated Tatsuya has too much (in his opinion) influence over Miyuki and getting more and more pissed as Tatsuya basically kept turning his own words against him. I also question just how much Aoki knows he refers to Tatsuya as a mere escort when he is in fact one of the more valuable employees at the company even disregarding family issues it's not wise to insult an employee that is a legend in his field.

I got the notion that Aoki was saying Tatsuya can't do anything because he's Miyuki's escort/bodyguard. He has such impressive abilities yet he can't use them the way he wants because he's bound by his care for his sister. The Yotsuba family pretty much has him in chains right now. Of course it's possible that Aoki has no idea of Tatsuya's powers and was just being a douchebag.

But this is just my take

[kukuru]

Originally Posted by Preciize

I got the notion that Aoki was saying Tatsuya can't do anything because he's Miyuki's escort/bodyguard. He has such impressive abilities yet he can't use them the way he wants because he's bound by his care for his sister. The Yotsuba family pretty much has him in chains right now. Of course it's possible that Aoki has no idea of Tatsuya's powers and was just being a douchebag.

But this is just my take

From my understanding,we have yet to touch on Yotsuba, so there's a lot of missing backstory.

But Tatsuya is a fake magican and a bodyguard. Considering it's Yotsuba, there are lots of bodyguards and magicans in the clan.

All tatsuya is the sucessor's candidates brother, why should the head Butler care. On top of which the father's side lineage is not that great it seems.

Also given that he is a fake magician and has friction with the clan. Ass-Aoki is not that much in the wrong.

[Ickarium]

Depends on what caused the friction, don't you think?

[Preciize]

Originally Posted by Ickarium

Depends on what caused the friction, don't you think?

Hope it's not one of those it's your fault that ______ died (or got severely injured) because you were too weak :3

[zerozeronine]

Originally Posted by Ickarium

Can't really say, as that is a spoiler. (Also, just looked, he does mention his destroy things power in the anime - and show it in the first episode opening, so it's cool!) His and Miyuki's past you're asking about are originally from LN8, but as it's pretty important to his history, they might shift it forward as it's a flashback LN anyway.

But it wasn't really explained as it only looked like a high energy explosion Anyway for those who are looking for more of the past,try reading vol 8 of the LN as it seems the anime won't cover it,too bad as it's a great story with a but more background with the siblings and the Yotsuba's,and I'm hoping they would make it into a 3 ep OVA because it will be weird if they start season 2 with it for first time anime watchers for the future s2.