One Piece - Chapter 594 (manga)

[Sprite_Coke]

Originally Posted by marvelB

Edit: Speaking of Coby...... in light of the info revealed this chapter, can we finally say that Mantra's a form of Haki, now?

^ this.
And wtf, every VA and higher can use it? That is so bs. There's so many of 'em... Even those giants. And that one guy that escorted Hancock.

One thing is, even if Strawhats reunite, it'll never be the same again. I mean, Luffy's along the ranks of really big names now; Iva, Jinbei, Rayleigh. Honestly, the crew's strength can't match up to those. It would be insane to have 1v1s against enemy teams now (for example, when they all split up to fight Baroque works agents).

My random babbling of the day: If anyone should retire, it should be Magellan lol.
Give Hanyabal that promotion!!!!!

[marvelB]

Originally Posted by Sprite_Coke

One thing is, even if Strawhats reunite, it'll never be the same again. I mean, Luffy's along the ranks of really big names now; Iva, Jinbei, Rayleigh. Honestly, the crew's strength can't match up to those. It would be insane to have 1v1s against enemy teams now (for example, when they all split up to fight Baroque works agents).

Honestly, I still wouldn't consider Luffy to be around the same level as guys like Iva or Jinbei even after he finishes his haki training. Hell, the very fact that we learned that all marine VAs can use it shows us that Luffy's still got a long way to go. However, I do expect him to at least be strong enough so that he has an easier time against the Kuma clone Pacifistas. Zoro and Sanji should be strong enough to beat them on their own as well when everyone's reunited (after all, Zoro's busy playing with those baboons, and maybe Iva will decide to train Sanji or something).....



....Heh, now that I know that the VAs can use Haki AND Rokushiki, I'm reminded of how I was scoffed a while back because I said that some of the VAs could actually be stronger than Rob Lucci (speaking of him, I'm now pretty much convinced that Roku Ougan is a Haki-based move). Well, I'm sticking to my guns now that this info appeared! However, I'm entirely ready to retract me statement if (when) Lucci becomes an Awakened Zoan.....



Also, now that Oda's finally revealed Kong to us, I hope this means we'll get to see Kaidou (or maybe even Big Mom) by next chapter or something......

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by Sprite_Coke

^ this.
And wtf, every VA and higher can use it? That is so bs. There's so many of 'em... Even those giants. And that one guy that escorted Hancock.

One thing is, even if Strawhats reunite, it'll never be the same again. I mean, Luffy's along the ranks of really big names now; Iva, Jinbei, Rayleigh. Honestly, the crew's strength can't match up to those. It would be insane to have 1v1s against enemy teams now (for example, when they all split up to fight Baroque works agents).

My random babbling of the day: If anyone should retire, it should be Magellan lol.
Give Hanyabal that promotion!!!!!

One of the points of the Whitebeard War was to show how weak Luffy was compared to people like Iva, Jinbei, and Rayleigh. While Iva and Jinbei where fighting Luffy was running all over the place constantly getting his life saved. He had trouble with Smoker, so I think Luffy still has aways to go to get to the level of the top.

For me the big info was definitly the revelation that Kong is still with the World Goverment.

[morbosfist]

Damn, Oda, you do know how to build up suspense for the future.

[Rainbowman]

The chapter was so epic I don't know where to begin. It's disappointing that Brownbeard had to be taken out by Basil Hawkins. I was hoping he'd be one of Luffy's future opponents. After seeing what Brownbeard looked like I figured he must be one of the characters Oda had concept art of (namely the viking) along with Boa Hancock. As I remember, Oda mentioned they were to be Luffy's future opponents. It's also disappointing that Capone Bege was taken out by Blackbeard. I wonder why Blackbeard would want to destroy Capone Bege? At any rate, I hope the Stawhat crew would be reunited soon.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Wow. I'm absolutely blown away by the amount of info packed into this chapter.

First off, I knew that the shichibukai would continue to exist. They're an indispensable unit to the WG despite how rebellious and insubordinate they can be at times. I guess Hancock is going to be keeping her title, seeing as how one of the elders stated that there are 3 vacant seats and not 4. In any case, I'm really interested in seeing who the replacements will be. And it looks like there was even more foreshadowing for Blackbeard to replace Whitebeard as one of the 4 emperors. Apparently, only the 3 remaining emperors can stop him now. This sets up an inevitable confrontation between Blackbeard and Shanks in the future, where I foresee Shanks getting killed .

Very nice to get confirmation that marines from VA and above can all use Haki. The fact that Coby has great potential with it definitely forebodes he will truly be powerful in due time.

Sengoku and Garp resigning from their positions is understandable. Paving the way for younger and deserving marines to rise up in the ranks. Sengoku recommends Aokiji for Fleet Admiral status, but I wonder who Kong (nice prediction, marvelB ) and the Five Elders will approve of?

Brownbeard and Capone getting taken out by Hawkins and Blackbeard, respectively, is no surprise to me. Brownbeard was like another Bellamy; talking all kinds of trash with no strength to back him up. It was only a matter of time before someone taught him a lesson. I always perceived Capone to be one of the more insignificant supernovas, so it was likely that he wouldn't progress very far in the New World. What bad luck to run into Blackbeard, though.

Can't wait to read this chapter .

[paradox13]

....Heh, now that I know that the VAs can use Haki AND Rokushiki, I'm reminded of how I was scoffed a while back because I said that some of the VAs could actually be stronger than Rob Lucci (speaking of him, I'm now pretty much convinced that Roku Ougan is a Haki-based move). Well, I'm sticking to my guns now that this info appeared! However, I'm entirely ready to retract me statement if (when) Lucci becomes an Awakened Zoan.....

Firstly having Haki doesn't necessarily make you stronger.

Secondly there are no indications one way or the other about Lucci not having haki.

So I still scoff at you. lol

[james0246]

^It is kind of hard to imagine that someone who so thoroughly subsumes themselves to another could posses Haki in any decent quality...

[paradox13]

How does he do that?

[marvelB]

Heh, going back to Kong, looking back at that partial spoiler pic of him, his face actually DOES look like a gorilla's. Awesome.

Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

First off, I knew that the shichibukai would continue to exist. They're an indispensable unit to the WG despite how rebellious and insubordinate they can be at times. I guess Hancock is going to be keeping her title, seeing as how one of the elders stated that there are 3 vacant seats and not 4. In any case, I'm really interested in seeing who the replacements will be.

They won't need 3 replacements. Buggy alone is good enough to fill all 3 spots!



Seriously though, I think it's almost guaranteed that at least a supernova or two will be approached by the government in due time. I mean heck, Kidd is already making quite the impression in the New World by crucifying mook pirates left and right, and the government definitely takes a fancy to the more violent individuals (Akainu, Lucci, Shiryuu, etc.). Maybe we'll be introduced to some silver medalists who may be offered the position, as well (I'd find it pretty funny if any of them end up being the level 6 pirates who escaped from Impel Down)......





BTW, I forgot to comment in this before, but I find it abso-freaking-lutely insane that the New World natives would refer to the GL's first half as "Paradise". That really speaks volumes about how hardcore the NW can be when compared to the first half, I guess.....

Originally Posted by paradox13

So I still scoff at you. lol

By all means, scoff away! However, note I'm not saying that Lucci in his current strength wouldn't be a match for the average VA, but I do feel that the most experienced ones (not necessarily Garp, but guys like Momonga or Onigumo) would probably give him a real run for his money.....


Uh, and I never said anything about Lucci not having Haki. Just that his ultimate technique seems to be a Haki-based move, that's all.


Anyways, as already said, I'll stick to my guns until Oda proves me otherwise. Still, I'm kinda more interested in seeing Jyabura and Kaku in their Awakened form rather than Lucci's......

[cloak_and_dagger]

I'm actually interested in the role the Rogue CP9 will play in the future..

I'd like to reiterate what someone else said in the thread about the other SW members getting stronger to enter the NW. Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and even Robin and Chopper I can see, but the level of ruthlessness prevalent in the New World won't take kindly to weaklings such as Usopp/Nami(in terms of battle ability, and I don't really see Brooke progressing that much), seeing as he's quite a ways below Zoro(though his awesomeness in OP:Strong World almost made me say otherwise ).
I'm well aware that brute strength doesn't equate to prowess in battle, but I still think they're in a bind.

I may be(and probably am) wrong, but unless Merman Island brings some serious powerups, I see some rough times ahead for the SH.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Since one of the 3 admirals is going to become the next fleet admiral, I wonder who is going to be promoted to admiral status since there will only be two left after this change. Perhaps Crane, Onigumo, or Doberman?

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by cloak_and_dagger

I'd like to reiterate what someone else said in the thread about the other SW members getting stronger to enter the NW. Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and even Robin and Chopper I can see, but the level of ruthlessness prevalent in the New World won't take kindly to weaklings such as Usopp/Nami(in terms of battle ability, and I don't really see Brooke progressing that much), seeing as he's quite a ways below Zoro(though his awesomeness in OP:Strong World almost made me say otherwise ).

Nami did presumably learn a fair bit of weather science. It wouldn't surprise me if she starts calling in much more impressive weather attacks.

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

Since one of the 3 admirals is going to become the next fleet admiral, I wonder who is going to be promoted to admiral status since there will only be two left after this change. Perhaps Crane, Onigumo, or Doberman?

If Aokiji is chosen as Fleet Admiral, I expect Smoker will be chosen as Admiral or he will at least be in the running (the fact that he was never a Vice-Admiral doesn't necessarily matter (Aokiji could just promote him to Vice-Admiral then to Admiral, or they could just skip a rank entirely), but the fact that he might not know how to use Haki does matter).

[marvelB]

Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

Since one of the 3 admirals is going to become the next fleet admiral, I wonder who is going to be promoted to admiral status since there will only be two left after this change. Perhaps Crane, Onigumo, or Doberman?

John Giant should totally by the next admiral! True, he got OHKO'd by Whitebeard, but that doesn't belittle him in the slightest because.... well, he was up against freaking Whitebeard. Therefore, I'd say that JG would make a fine admiral (though I do also like the idea of an old lady with laundry powers becoming one of the highest-ranking marine officers ). However, I think there would be some difficulty in finding a replacement for Kizaru if he ends up becoming the next FA...... I can't really think of any VA who's kooky enough to take his place (no, not even the aforementioned old lady).




BTW, I meant to bring this up before, but OP (as well as the rest of the SJ lineup) is going to go on break the week after next due to a double issue. I'd also like to remind folks that a double issue does NOT mean that there will be twice the amount of chapters. It's merely a single issue that has two issue numbers on the front cover instead of one. Capice?

[james0246]

Originally Posted by marvelB

BTW, I meant to bring this up before, but OP (as well as the rest of the SJ lineup) is going to go on break after next week due to a double issue. I'd also like to remind folks that a double issue does NOT mean that there will be twice the amount of chapters. It's merely a single issue that has two issue numbers on the front cover instead of one. Capice?

I though there was 1 more issue before SJ went on break (Obon is the 15th right?)...

edit: Sorry, I misread your post.

['Pryde]

So with garp and sengoku stepping down what are thier positions now? I just really wanna see sengoku fight again, im interested in whatelse he can do. Maybe they wil go to the new world together hunting down all the level six prisoners.

[Divine Punisher]

Originally Posted by marvelB

I don't think so. When they were first introduced in the Jaya arc, the elders were clearly described as being the "world's highest authority". I don't think that puts them above or below the world nobles in status, but most likely equal. I'd also say it's most likely that Kong is pretty close to the elders in terms of status, as well.....

or they could be world nobles themself...

[aohige]

Originally Posted by james0246

I though there was 1 more issue before SJ went on break (Obon is the 15th right?)...

correct.
OP 594 (this chapter) = Jump issue 35 = 8/2
OP 595 = Jump double issue 36-37 = 8/9

8/16 = no Jump

OP 596 = Jump issue 38 = 8/23

[ashesatdusk]

I think Killer or Jewelry Bonney is next interms of which Super Nova Gets taken out. Those two seemed the most insignificant after Capone. Bonney and Capone both came off as a bit of cowards.


I suspect Apoo, Hawkins, Drake, Trafalgar Law, Kidd, Urouge, to have longer lives.

All VAs can use their Haki...cool. Is that what seperates Smoker from a VA?

That was my thoughts initially, but I'm not so sure.
1. We've really don't know what smoker has been up to. He may be stronger now then at first. His role at Marine Ford was sort of Trivial.

2. We've never seen smoker go all out. Everytime he faught luffy someone else stopped him, or his own values sotpped him. Also while haki use seems quite common, we don't see people employ it too frequently. So its hard to say if he has the ability or not.

3. Smoker is somewhat like Garp, and Aokiji. He does what he wants. He turned down promotions in the past, did things that prevented his rise among the rankings, and kept him from the front lines. Now he wants to go to the front lines.