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Moving in circles
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Singapore
Age: 49
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Rethinking GDP as a measure of progress
Sarkozy: Let's use happiness as economic indicator
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And they call economics a dismal science. Perhaps, if Prof Stiglitz and his colleagues have their way, it may yet become a tad more cheerful. If you've managed to get here after wading through the wall of text above, I presume that you have at least some interest in this long-overdue debate on how we should envision and measure "progress". I put it to you that the issue is not as trivial as it at first appears. Before I came upon these articles, it had not occurred to me that I cannot even imagine a world where aggregated figures on economic production and macroeconomic health are not easily available. All these years, we've been conditioned to think of "progress" in terms of industrial output or pure human consumption. Along the way, ordinary people have long forgotten the warnings of the original creators of macroeconomic statistics: GDP is not, and was never, meant to be an indicator of the quality of life. I further put it to you that, if statistics such as life expectancy and environmental sustainability were already a part of a country's "national product", the current debates on health care in the United States and global warming would look very different indeed. So, if it were up to you, what do you think should be included in a "new" GDP? What is "happiness"? Is it even measurable and, if so, how should we go about doing it? |
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2009-09-20, 14:28 | Link #3 |
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My happiness is over 9000.
There already are happiness indices, good governance indices, freedom indices, income equality indices, gender equality indices, life expectancy indices, you name it you get it. But they won't increase their importance by presidental order. There is no point in trying to quantify what is a subjective notion. They' better spend their energy on concrete pragmatic politics instead of feeding people's number fetish.
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2009-09-20, 18:25 | Link #6 |
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Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: China
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Happiness being included in the GDP calculations? So for a serial killer or a scam artist, how exactly does that work then? By the number of people killed or tricked out of their money/property?
Also, people get used to happiness. If you are happy for a period of time, if you are asked to describe your "happiness" state in the beginning and toward the end, the chances of your being less "happy" in the end are good, IMHO. You get tired of being happy; it's just a chemical behavior after all. Also, when you stop being happy, you're usually more depressed during that instant of time and then grow out the funk as time passes. It really does not matter what is used, IMHO. You are essentially using the GDP numbers to compare multiple nations. So long as the metrics are the same, it's okay. Making investment decisions based on GDP growth or shrinkage is doable, but aside from a news blurb, I don't really see much of that happening.
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2009-09-20, 22:34 | Link #10 |
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Agreed. GDP does not equal progress or development. Countries around the world, United States, Middle Eastern Countries, Europe and others, are clear examples/evidences of this. They may have high GDP but, realistically, people aren't well supported.
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