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Troll post : Lelouch is a failure
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- -1. First and foremost we want to apologize to any and all who are reading this, when we first watched "code geass" we also ended up being what one might call Lelouch fan-girls and since most people who become disillusioned with him are to likely stop participating in "code geass" forums we fully understand that this thread is what one might call inappropriate.
The reason we are writing it anyway is that having read a few Lelouch over-glorifying threads and fanfics too many we just can't overcome the urge to vent out our frustration with the pest.
So once again sorry and lets get started.
- 0. "The world you want is a complete word, a dead world. Nobody wants that."
Before we can start debunking Lelouch proper we first need to set up a slight bit of preliminary groundwork.
At the end of the C's world arc Lelouch dismisses the Ragnarok project as essentially setting up the entire world on a permanent dose of refrain, however, what Charles actually describes is letting people freely see all the memories of both the living and the dead in the short run and transforming humanity into a single collective consciousness in the longer run.
Putting Lelouch not entirely meaningful objections aside, some other problems that come to mind are:- Content selection : Even if people can freely view each others memories it still doesn't guaranty that the memories they will chose to view and the manner in which they interpret each others memories will make them more sympathetic rather than more hateful to each other.
- Information overload : Since individual human minds are only accustomed to dealing with their individual memories, having the capacity to access the entirety of the human memory archive would likely overwhelm most humans and simply drive them mad.
- Past context in human timescale : The C's world gates and the codes were created in ancient times, is there a reason something along the lines of the Ragnarok project wasn't carried out back then? Is there a reason the gates and the codes were essentially abandoned? Were they in fact abandoned?
- Past context in geological time scale : Would a collective consciousness actually be a step forward rather than a step back? Considering that the C's world is supposed to be a collective subconsciousness and and extrapolating point 0.2 to a greater extent, is it even possible for a stable consciousness of that magnitude to exist?
These problems also don't require a great amount of intelligence or thought to come up with however the point we wish to make is thus:
[qoute=Aristotle]The more you know, the more you know you don't know.[/qoute]
While at the very beginning of the Geass Order's research into the possibilities presented by the C's world everybody involved were undoubtedly very enthusiastic and certain that the solution to all of humanities problems were at hand.
Two or three decades later the top brass of the Geass Order ( aka Charles, V.V. , Marianne and C.C. ) were full of second guesses and doubts.
However, while Charles and Marianne could deal their doubts by deciding that there wasn't any rush and at worst they could leave the choice up to their progeny, C.C. could deal with her doubts because a few decades more or less weren't that significant and possibly she might be able to pass her code and thus her share of responsibility to someone else ( possibly the said progeny ), V.V. on the other hand not wishing to deal with the possibility of outliving Charles decided to ignore his doubts and try to forcefully push the project along by killing Marianne despite the fact that she was in, on and in support of the project.
This however somewhat backfired because..
- 1. "You have .. abandoned us!"
Lelouch oh poor Lelouch, left out in a cradle in the cold, found by slaves, grown by wolves, having none but the beasts of the jungle to learn from .. except that .. was he?
Start up ep.01 of R1 and watch the first the first 15 sec' carefully, what do you see?
A hidden C.C. watching over Lelouch, Nunnaly and Suzaku, far afield, watching the start of Brittania's invasion into Japan.
What we propose this to mean is this: The trigger for the beginning of the invasion was not the supreme commander of the entire invasion declaring that all his forces were in place, it was not his chief tactical officer confirming that the weather was right or his intelligence advisor informing him that their spies have disabled key defensive facilities, rather, it C.C. telepathically telling Marianne that Lelouch and Nannuly were a safe distance away from all planned combat areas.
But wait, if Charles and Marianne actually did care about Nunnally and Lelouch why the hell didn't they have a special op's team secure their safety ahead of the invasion or exile them to Switzerland or something in the first place.
To understand that you have to consider that a very common failing of parents is assuming that their children are magically better versions of themselves and that both Charles and Marianne are vaguely implied to have gone thorough a great amount of hardship when they were small.
Essentially Charles and Marianne wanted Lelouch and Nunnaly to experience the underdog and downside of life to build up their inner strength and give them a broader range of experience and insight than their siblings.
Ok, so Lelouch and Nunnaly spent a few days/weeks trudging through corps strewn villages, hiding from both British and Japanese forces in dirty roadside trenches, scraping for food, sleeping with fellow helpless refuges in abandoned burnt out houses, maybe even suffering some limited amount of abuse. Isn't it now time to bring them back so that they could educate the rest of the royal court?
If it was only up to Charles, we think that at this point he would have inducted both Nunnaly (after all her blindness was artificial and if her mind was strong her inability to walk would not have posed a great issue in the confines of a highly funded research organization) and Lelouch and then quite possibly made Lelouch into V.V. personal assistant. This might sound a bit sadistic but, it would have made L fairly safe since V.V. would have been directly answerable for his wellbeing and also with Charles assuming Lelouch to be a stronger and better version of himself, he could have reasonably expected Lelouch to make V.V. accept if not overly like him over time.
However, having made her way from being a peasant to being an empress it was not that unreasonable for Marianne to also aspire so as to see her child on the throne.
On the other hand since her ambition and determination have won his heart and since his ascension was wrought with hardship it is also not that unreasonable to assume that when Charles spoke of strength what he referred to was personal strength, and, that when he declared that it was the right of the strong to rule the weak, his ultimate meaning was not that the world should be ruled by the degenerate royalty and nobility that leeched upon his own strength, but rather, that once he has established the overall context of a single global government, the said decadent nobility is to serve as the furnace, catalyst and sacrifice that would forge, temper, synthesize and give rise to the truly strong that would be worthy of ruling such a unified world.
And who better to rule and preside over the strongest of the strong than the offspring of the two strongest people in existence.
And so to sum this all up : Lelouch wasn't abandoned in Japan, he was placed there.
Along with a loyal noble family that could give him shelter, provide for his education, and when the time and need came possibly even give him inroads into the knightmare industry.
Along with the worlds largest deposit of the worlds currently most precious strategic resource.
In a country whose military prowess and pride were greatly damaged and broken but not completely annihilated and subdued.
All this for the purpose of starting not a rebellion but an usurpation.
which brings us to ..
- 2. "you have to get your hands dirty" *BANG*
So if neither the situation in Japan nor Lelouch being in place to take advantage of said situation were accidental, what about Clovis? lets see what we are given about him:- He is an incompetent military leader.
- He is an incompetent civic leader.
- He is not a particularly inspiring orator.
- He is a party animal.
- He is a high ranking royal.
- He has delusions about being the most likely candidate for the throne.
So what does this all sum up to? Basically, that he is an easy to manipulate buffoon with a lot of potential influence.
Question : Regardless of whether you want to usurp the throne, rebel against it or just murder the person sitting on it, what is the best use for an easy to control fool who happens to be the overlord of your home-turf?
Answer : Shoot him dead and draw a lot of attention while you still haven't accumulated the slightest bit of power????
By and large this is actually a result of Charles's failure of misunderstanding and overestimating Lelouch and assuming that thoroughly and personally humiliating Lelouch in front of the royal court would concentrate all of Lelouches hatred and resentment towards himself and thus allow Lelouch to deal with everybody else in the royal family in a rational and carefully considered manner.
Killing Clovis was quite possibly Lelouches greatest mistake in the entire series. Even without geassing Clovis, Lelouch could have had him assure Brittania's throne that area 11 was totally and completely under control and free of any meaningful anti-government activity whatsoever while in fact using it as a center of operations for setting up active rebellions and/or dormant sleeper cells worldwide.
Or at the very least doing a bit more of preparation before unveiling Zero..
- 3. "Geass is just another weapon, I've been planning to bring Brittania down all along"
By winning the world championship in chess?
To be fair, especially without geass, it was unreasonable to expect Lelouch to gain the resources and connections to do anything major for at least another decade. And so building up a bit of financial backing and maybe getting a few nobles to own him favors from chess gambling was a reasonable and even impressive rate of progress for a 17 year old.
However, considering that all ventures in gaining britannian based influence and support would be severely curtailed by the fact some/most factions in the Brittanian court would supposedly try to assassinate him and Nunnuly the moment they became aware that the two of them were still alive, wouldn't it have made sense to start making some contacts among the Japanese as well?
Especially..
to be continued..
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