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Originally Posted by Guest2

If you recheck my previous post I already pointed out that the only people who might still look down on him are those who do so because of his lack of talent with most magic, and this fact wouldn't change if his secrets are revealed, so I doubt their minds will change. Nearly everyone recognises all of his superlative skills already since the end of v4, without knowing any of the hardcore secrets. I am not sure what more recognition he could actually get.

I agree that's true, but would be interesting to see how people that already know his strong will view him after knowing his hardcore abilities.

Originally Posted by Guest2

So you want more recognition from the Yotsuba? His own mother and aunt turned him into a guardian, despite knowing all his abilities. It wasn't a choice made by the rest of the clan. They all know he's a powerful fighter because he was made a guardian at just 6 and passed all the brutal tests those servants go through. The reason he's a lowly guardian was explained by his mother in v8. That reason won't change if they all suddenly learned of his strongest magics. Especially since the people who actually made that decision already knew everything.

Not entirely correct, yes he was made a guardian at age of 6 but that decision was mostly for him to be able to stay in the clan. If from clan perspective he wasn't a magician so he had no place in the clan the guardian position was the only option for him to stick around.
And also at age of 6, he didn't manifested decomposition and regrowth or strategic level magics, that happened when he was 13 in okinawa.

Originally Posted by Guest2

Fist of all, the novel states his offensive decomposition spells are against the rules in v3c5 due to their destructive capability, except for use against inanimate targets, which I mentioned in my previous post. If his Mist Dispersal actually worked against Tomitsuka and the judge understood what he used, Tatsuya would have automatically lost by disqualification. If you reread the rules of duels, any level of use, like you just mentioned, of his offensive decomposition on the human body leads to an infraction of 'Abilities that cause direct harm to the physical body are forbidden.'.

I didn't said his offensive decomposition was allowed in duels, off course they where not ,other wise he would`ve owned every single magician in 9SC using the trident.
I just pointed out that Mist dispersal was not a lethal spell. When i think lethal i mean the spell will always kill the target which in MD case is not true. But MD is still forbidden because the minimum of effects will still be body harm if used on a human.

Originally Posted by Guest2

Secondly, even if Tatsuya only used it on a person's CAD or even if he used just a tiny bit on their body below the limit of the rules, the match still goes on. Since physical attacks are allowed in matches between those of the same gender. The magicians may even still be able to use some magics without a CAD, especially the defensive ones. You don't need to point out how useful his magic would be, he could use it indirectly on the surrounding environment as well to instantly create pits and obstacles as well. My point is that the novel states if he uses it directly it would disqualify him, and if he uses it indirectly he would still have the same problem as before of having to use ambushes, tricks and tactics combined with martial arts or his other weaker magics to try and give the final blow.

Well yes its true that magician still can use magics without cads, but that takes preparation in advance not to mention some slow as cast speed so if you lose the CAD in a duel you are totally screwed. Well the ZI and DF would not pose any problem to tatsuya since he can just decompose them without any problems.Gram dispersion anyone? and that is allowed decomposition magic since its not targeting the body.
In his case he can fight without a cad, flash cast technique, but the rest of the students don`t even know such a technique even existed much less use it.

Originally Posted by Guest2

I'm not sure you understood the point I was making. I was pointing out when in combat, Tatsuya has no problems landing hits and avoiding or countering attacks and having access to freely use his secret magics would make this even easier, but the same main problem would occur even if he had such freedom. Since magic attacks that cause direct physical damage are forbidden, he must use regular magic or other methods to finish off his opponent. Tatsuya's magic alone(everything aside from his birth magics) cannot directly cause enough physical effect to actually incapacitate most magicians with even average talent. By itself its really that weak.

I understood your point, but you are talking about mock battles i was talking real battles.
His magic may not be as powerful as other magicians but can incapacitate magicians, Far strike "Magic penetration bullet" send tomitsuka flying and knocked him out, same as for that resonance pseudo-cast jamming he used on hattori and the sound spell he used on masaki, or the oscilation magic that took out the stardust soldier, i say his magic is pretty effective when put to good use.
Those may not be a-rank spells but that doesn`t mean they are not very effective.
We tend to confuse the talent of a mage(magic power by current system) with his actual combat ability.
To put it in gamers terms magic power is more like "Damage on paper" and combat ability is how well they can apply that damage.Just because u can use an a-rank spell if the opponent can dodge it its virtually useless.
We also tent to forget that besides decomposition magic that can target the human body directly and some other obscure magic like that, the rest of the magic does not, which means mobility is a very high factor when it comes to combat, as well as tactics and strategy.
As for battle with tomitsuka, the hard part was not that his spells were weak, the hard part was how to deal with that psion armor he had.
And his magic was not weak, its stated that during battle the highly powerful magics involved in the battle from both sides. I think the words were along the line of a martial brawl between two highly powerful and skilled magicians.
Besides the mock battles we seen so far do not show the strength of magician, look at takuma vs saeguesa twins battle u can`t call that a battle they were staying in same position all the time and launching magic at each other. U can't really call that a battle that was a joke. The closest to a real battle that we seen in mock battles was the tomitsuka vs tatsuya duel. That's why everyone that saw that battle including, takuma, the twins etc where so stunned, because not only the powerful magic involved but also the combat ability of those two. Thats why takuma and kasumi, despite both of them being a-rank mages, stated that the strength of both tomitsuka and tatsuya was far far far beyond their level even if they were just 1 year older then them.

Originally Posted by Guest2

This is what I was trying understand and is why I asked what you meant. I apologise, your last post wasn't really clear to me about it only being his status inside the Yotsuba. I personally don't see any reason for his status to change, since the actual reason why he's a guardian still hasn't changed. And since the world outside the Yotsuba recognises all his talents, so much so that they've even had to change the main school system and foreign countries are trying to assassinate him, I personally believe his status among the Yotsuba has only been a minor story plot and changing it would be more harmful to him than beneficial. But I do agree it would introduce new story possibilities and chances for character developments.

i agree it was a minor story plot so far, but with the yotsuba taking more of a center role in the upcoming volumes that will not be a minor story plot for so long.
Also the magic engineering course its not just because of tatsuya to change his status in school, they could've put him in course 1 if they wanted that(mikihiko was put in course 1 and compared to tatsuya his now where in the near).
The change also came because of the 9sc last summer, when the lack of engineering stuff lead to boys team losing big time both in official and new comer division. They only managed to win because of tatsuya involvement as an magic engineer proving that talent alone can`t win battles. You could say the school used him to make that course without encountering any opposition from the school board that thought the role of the magic high was to train magicians not engineers.