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Originally Posted by Revolutionist
Britannia has been shown to massacre innocent people left and right, including women and children. What's the excuse for killing babies, they might grow up to be terrorists? I don't quite understand how you can say people are imposing their own standard of good and evil when the line is pretty clear cut. Racism, Oppression, Militarism, etc are not good things. A racist, oppressive militaristic regime is not and can't be good in the eyes of any rational person. Brittania has been shown to massacre people needlessly. In the first episode of both seasons we see Britannian soldiers kill babies and women, along with a whole bunch of innocent people, some whom aren't even 11s for no reason whatsoever.
They can't be considered good, you just can't view them in that light unless they you only watch the anime through the eyes of the Britannian media, who portrays innocent women and children as terrorists.
People love Lulu because he's standing up for what's right, even if his motives are personal. He's willing to sacrifice himself and become evil itself if it means others might live in happiness. Basically the guy fights fire with fire, and we love him for that. Suzaku is just a tool, he fights for Britannia and that's all I need to hate the guy. I could go on about how he's a hypocrite brat that killed his own father (has to be mental). And please don't give that excuse "oh but he thought if he's father hadn't died Japan would have adopted a hard line strategy against the invasion and more people would've died", what the heck does a 10 year old know about the world, or anything for that matter?
I rest my case.
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See that's where the line is blurry. Britannia isn't all bad and Japan isn't all good.
Britannia kills children and civilans and is generally evil, but there are good people there too. Lloyd Cecile the student council are generally good people who aren't racist in the least. Euphie might have been naive but she was also good. Cornelia Darlton, and Gulford have done some bad things in the name of their country but they are decent people at heart and are at least honorable and learned to become less racist as Suzaku changed their view on numbers.(and remember the reason the royal family was so harsh to Japan was because Lelouch and sis were supposedly killed there) Even Villeta proved to have nice personality once she forgot her miltary training and conditioning. The only outright evil person in Britannia is the Emperor who apparantly doesn't even give a damn about his own children.
Japan seems good in the show but the backstory proves they aren't quite as holy as they think they were. The were just oppressive to forigners prior to Britannan takeover like Britannia was to them now. Suzaku's stupid father was trying to play all three sides against each other with his Sakuradite and caused the invasion himself when he taunted all three sides that no one would dare attack Japan because all three sides would have to move in to get Sakuradite for themselves and it would all be destroyed. Then when the Emperor answered his foolish challenge Genbu decided he would rather sacrifice every person in his country rather than try to negotiate and save lives.
Suzaku killing his father was a GOOD thing. Everyone on every side admits this. Because they gave in they were able to preserve lives and since they still had military strength left were able to form a resitance and later on a rebellion. The Black Knights and Lelouch's forces would not be able to exist without Suzaku. Had Japan not surrendered all of its military would have been destroyed, most of it civilians killed and all of its resources destroyed or taken over. There would be no one to give Lelouch mecha, no Japanese rebels to fight for him, and heck Lelouch himself probably would have been killled during the invasion. So thank Suzaku, without him there would be no Black Knights years later.
The Black Knights themselves had decended into mob mentality in the finale. They attacked Villeta for no real reason (not exactly helping her view of Japanese) and Tamaki was gonna kill the council against orders. They were Lelouch's friends remember. If Nunally had been there as well then Lelouch's entire plan would have been ruined by one dumbass Japanese who couldn't control his racism. Suzaku was almost a damned hero standing up for them like he did. That whole scene through everything out of perspective with the heroic Black Knights about to engage in random murder and the evil Britannia swooping in heroicly.
Not that the Black Knights actions weren't unjustifed (though shooting up school children was a bit much Dumbass needs to calm the hell down or he's gonna destory Lelouch's plans someday.) but it certainly proves the Britannia=evil villians Japan=good heroes theory is not correct.