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Kairin 2014-05-18 07:06
Mahouka [LN/M] - Character Speculation/Theories: Lina
 
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nosaer 2014-05-18 13:22
Even Tatsuya himself admitted that Lina could've got him. she didn't, but it was a very close fight between 2 people not trying to kill each other...and if you look at it that way, then He hasn't fought a top notch magician who actually was trying to kill him.

Echizen777 2014-05-18 13:51
Tatsuya was at complete disadvantage against Lina there. Gram Dispersion was useless, her attacks too fast and he needed to stay concentrated so that he could bypass Parade. Even six shots of his Decomposition only made thin holes on her. Makes me wonder why Lina didn't use Parade against Miyuki. She can even maintain it under her ZI...

Ophis 2014-05-18 14:18
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Originally Posted by Echizen777 (Post 5124305)
Tatsuya was at complete disadvantage against Lina there. Gram Dispersion was useless, her attacks too fast and he needed to stay concentrated so that he could bypass Parade. Even six shots of his Decomposition only made thin holes on her. Makes me wonder why Lina didn't use Parade against Miyuki. She can even maintain it under her ZI...
Tatsuya's intention was to just make thin holes on her, not decompose her whole body. Lina didn't use Parade against Miyuki because that would be useless. Miyuki's specialized in wide area magic, Parade only prevents Lina's Eidos to be direct targeted by magics like 'Mist Dispersal' and 'Rupture'.

kazakiri 2014-05-18 14:28
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Originally Posted by Echizen777 (Post 5124305)
Tatsuya was at complete disadvantage against Lina there. Gram Dispersion was useless, her attacks too fast and he needed to stay concentrated so that he could bypass Parade. Even six shots of his Decomposition only made thin holes on her. Makes me wonder why Lina didn't use Parade against Miyuki. She can even maintain it under her ZI...
The reason Tatsuya didn't use gram dispersion on Heavy Metal Burst was to avoid the plasma dispersing

Spoiler for Gram Dispersal and Heavy Metal Burst:

Echizen777 2014-05-18 15:11
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Originally Posted by Ophis (Post 5124331)
Tatsuya's intention was to just make thin holes on her, not decompose her whole body. Lina didn't use Parade against Miyuki because that would be useless. Miyuki's specialized in wide area magic, Parade only prevents Lina's Eidos to be direct targeted by magics like 'Mist Dispersal' and 'Rupture'.
He didn't want to kill her so he aimed for specific points to knock her out. 4 shots managed to do thin holes, meaning that 2 were nullified and 4 made only thin holes instead of a big one like contrarily to Blanche's minions. Lina's barrier us THAT strong. Parade would have been useful because it is an enhnced DF and DF is the classic CM to prevent event modification/magic. Even Shizuku's DF could nuliffy some of Miyuki's attacks. And according to V9 there areonly 2 ways to break it. It would have been extremely useful.

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Originally Posted by kazakiri (Post 5124342)
The reason Tatsuya didn't use gram dispersion on Heavy Metal Burst was to avoid the plasma dispersing

Spoiler for Gram Dispersal and Heavy Metal Burst:
Yeah, so it was useless and given the speed of her attacks he would have never been able to nuliffy any
beam with Gram Demolition, without taking in account how hard it would be to counter Lina's attacks. The parasites were using self acceleration and superpowers in the spoilers.

Ophis 2014-05-18 17:03
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Originally Posted by Echizen777 (Post 5124373)
He didn't want to kill her so he aimed for specific points to knock her out. 4 shots managed to do thin holes, meaning that 2 were nullified and 4 made only thin holes instead of a big one like contrarily to Blanche's minions. Lina's barrier us THAT strong. Parade would have been useful because it is an enhnced DF and DF is the classic CM to prevent event modification/magic. Even Shizuku's DF could nuliffy some of Miyuki's attacks. And according to V9 there areonly 2 ways to break it. It would have been extremely useful.
The size of Lina's wounds were the same as the guys from Blanche. Tatsuya intended to just make the holes thin, why make them bigger? The size of the holes had nothing to do with Lina's barrier.

Parade just alters and disguise the user's Eidos. It does not protect the user from physical attacks. For example, Parade cannot protect the user from the cold air produced by Niflheim.

Echizen777 2014-05-18 17:28
Ophis: The holes were microscopic and only 4 managed to bypass it. Miyuki's cold wind is formed by magic so by preventing event modification, you are protected. Parade is even better than DF.

Ophis 2014-05-18 17:44
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Originally Posted by Echizen777 (Post 5124476)
Ophis: The holes were microscopic and only 4 managed to bypass it. Miyuki's cold wind is formed by magic so by preventing event modification, you are protected. Parade is even better than DF.
The size of the holes was the intended result. I don't get what you're getting at.

DF prevents your Eidos of being altered by magic, it does not prevent you from receiving magical attacks.

Vol 9 Chapter 7
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Unfortunately, I simply don't have the skill to cast area effect magic.
Tatsuya himself said that area effect magic would had work.

CatRules 2014-05-18 20:15
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Originally Posted by kazakiri (Post 5124342)
The reason Tatsuya didn't use gram dispersion on Heavy Metal Burst was to avoid the plasma dispersing

Spoiler for Gram Dispersal and Heavy Metal Burst:

Which supports the claim "Lina's casting speed is faster than Gram Dispersion"

Since he acknowledged the threat of HMB, he would have prevented the magic sequence from completion IF HE COULD. In this case, he didn't decompose magic sequence because decomposing it now would have made thing worse. If he's really faster than Lina, he should have decomposed HMB when the its magic sequence was still in constructing period but the fact that his only option is to decompose its already completed magic sequence or not could be implied that Lina's casting speed has surpassed Tatsuya's Gram Dispersion.


P.S. but why we are discussing this? shouldn't this go to Visitor Arc or Character Power threads?

novalysis 2014-05-18 22:29
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Originally Posted by CatRules (Post 5124584)
Which supports the claim "Lina's casting speed is faster than Gram Dispersion"

Since he acknowledged the threat of HMB, he would have prevented the magic sequence from completion IF HE COULD. In this case, he didn't decompose magic sequence because decomposing it now would have made thing worse. If he's really faster than Lina, he should have decomposed HMB when the its magic sequence was still in constructing period but the fact that his only option is to decompose its already completed magic sequence or not could be implied that Lina's casting speed has surpassed Tatsuya's Gram Dispersion.


P.S. but why we are discussing this? shouldn't this go to Visitor Arc or Character Power threads?
I think Lina deserves her own character thread, personally. She's one of Tatsuya's peer mages that posses a threat to Tatsuya.

Echizen777 2014-05-19 02:17
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Originally Posted by Ophis (Post 5124489)
The size of the holes was the intended result. I don't get what you're getting at.

DF prevents your Eidos of being altered by magic, it does not prevent you from receiving magical attacks.

Vol 9 Chapter 7

Tatsuya himself said that area effect magic would had work.
She asked him if he could have not locate her and attack and he responded thay he can't use. AOE magic. Tatsuya didn't even locate her. He used a non magical attack to hit the true body. It was said that her Parade can even stay under Miyuki's ZI. This is another proof that AOE don't necesarily work. True AOE can be good if you attack in an area where the dummy and the true body are located but thz attack power will decide everything. DF is the classic CM, magic attacks work by altery the information body of the target. To prevent it, you use DF and you are safe but it's useless against normal attacks. Tatsuya's magic worked perfectly against Blanche. Against Lina 2 were nullified and 4 stuck to her limbs until they managed to dig microscopic holes. Had it worked perfectly, she would have lost consciousness nonetheless.

Lucarion 2014-05-21 08:28
Here's my theory: Lina will play the Judas Iscariot of the 12 Apostles. And will find herself on the side of Satan(Tatsuya) and Cocytus(Miyuki).

IceHism 2014-05-21 10:06
2nd fav girl. She better appear again. She is too cool not to.

Lucarion 2014-05-21 10:27
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Originally Posted by IceHism (Post 5127301)
2nd fav girl. She better appear again. She is too cool not to.
Indeed. She's guaranteed another appearance. You don't write a girl this awesome only to cast her away after just one arc. She'll play a major role in the future.

Lucarion 2014-05-22 18:16
OK, I just discovered something awesome.

Sirius is intimately tied to the Shiva mythology. I'm going to look more into this and see what it may have to do with the story, but for now here's what I have:

1) Shiva is the lord of Sirius.

2) The star Sirius is the star of Shiva.

3) The black dog(Sirius) is just a much as symbol of Shiva as the White Bull (Nandi). And accompanies him in his wrathful aspects.

There's a little more but I'm having trouble phrasing it right. Anyway, I think it's worth looking into. (Actually, this might partially explain her Kali connection, because Kali is a wrathful aspect of Shakti(Parvati) and the black dog, Sirius, accompanies Shiva only when he's in his destructive mode.

guestuser 2014-05-22 19:25
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Originally Posted by Lucarion (Post 5128848)
OK, I just discovered something awesome.

Sirius is intimately tied to the Shiva mythology. I'm going to look more into this and see what it may have to do with the story, but for now here's what I have:

1) Shiva is the lord of Sirius.

2) The star Sirius is the star of Shiva.

3) The black dog(Sirius) is just a much as symbol of Shiva as the White Bull (Nandi). And accompanies him in his wrathful aspects.

There's a little more but I'm having trouble phrasing it right. Anyway, I think it's worth looking into. (Actually, this might partially explain her Kali connection, because Kali is a wrathful aspect of Shakti(Parvati) and the black dog, Sirius, accompanies Shiva only when he's in his destructive mode.
hmmm now that u say this this kind of made me think lina and tatsuya will go on a full blown war with country no a slaughter of a country or Continent

renuac 2014-05-23 05:31
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucarion (Post 5128848)
OK, I just discovered something awesome.

Sirius is intimately tied to the Shiva mythology. I'm going to look more into this and see what it may have to do with the story, but for now here's what I have:

1) Shiva is the lord of Sirius.

2) The star Sirius is the star of Shiva.

3) The black dog(Sirius) is just a much as symbol of Shiva as the White Bull (Nandi). And accompanies him in his wrathful aspects.

There's a little more but I'm having trouble phrasing it right. Anyway, I think it's worth looking into. (Actually, this might partially explain her Kali connection, because Kali is a wrathful aspect of Shakti(Parvati) and the black dog, Sirius, accompanies Shiva only when he's in his destructive mode.
Oh, very interesting! Well I guess this confirms Lina's coming back as Tatsuya's ally - maybe during some kind of large-scale conflict?

Ophis 2014-05-23 06:03
I think it would be nice to see Tatsuya going to the USNA on a mission to help Lina. It would be refreshing to see Tatsuya infiltrating a foreign nation. :nod:

Chris38 2014-05-23 06:51
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Originally Posted by Ophis (Post 5129387)
I think it would be nice to see Tatsuya going to the USNA on a mission to help Lina. It would be refreshing to see Tatsuya infiltrating a foreign nation. :nod:
Unfortunately, I doubt that the Yotsuba / Japanese military / government will let Tatsuya do something like that.

Especially, if his reason for traveling aboard would be something that is going to further mess up the delicate balance that the Mahouka world was in ... before Tatsuya 'accidentally' killed one of the 13 Apostles... :uhoh:


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