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Stark700 2022-02-25 03:06

Spice and Wolf - Merchant Meets the Wise Wolf - General Discussion Thread
 
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Spice and Wolf is getting a brand new anime season!

Announcement video



Source

https://twitter.com/Spicy_Wolf_Prj/s...19488525094914

MeoTwister5 2022-02-25 03:08

All hail the goddess Holo!!!!!!

Magin 2022-02-25 03:17

...what the BLEEP.

Anime is pulling out ALL the stops now- Lucifer and Biscuit Hammer, Bastard!! and now Spice and Wolf?

The next question is if it's a reboot or continuation.

MeoTwister5 2022-02-25 03:25

While I would prefer a continuation, a remake would be great too. One hopes that Jun Fukuyama and of course Ami Koshimizu will be reprising their roles. Holo IMHO cannot sound as anyone else.

I've had this sig image on me for nearly 15 years for a reason, and that reason is today.

All hail the Goddess Holo!!

Obelisk ze Tormentor 2022-02-25 03:56

Damn, no season 3?? Starting from zero? Do we have to go through the initial relationship between Holo & Lawrence again? The old anime was perfectly fine for today's standard. It would be a spit in the face if this new anime can't even go further than S2.

Last Sinner 2022-02-25 04:01

...WHAT?!

Is this for freaking real?! I thought they only cared about those VR games?! The manga/LN finished years ago to the point they were doing material on the kid!

Would prefer continuation. I want to see them go to the end of the manga/LN.

MeoTwister5 2022-02-25 04:05

This is the only LN novel series I physically own, completed, start to finish. I paid out the ass to have Amazon ship the books to my country because this is impossible to find locally back when.

Technically it would be impossible to even do half of the series in a 23-26 episode run, but you COULD cut out some of the fat and subplots to get in as much as you could in a run. However a lot of the IMO stuff you could cut out are after the halfway point in the series.

AP24 2022-02-25 06:16

It says completely new work so is it a remake?

Kuroageha 2022-02-25 09:43

New season.

Alchemist007 2022-02-25 10:15

Sure seems to be a lot of arguing about whether it's a new season or remake, wish announcements weren't so vague. Unless they got Brotherhood levels of money, it would only make sense for it to be a continuation.

FlareKnight 2022-02-25 10:16

*Falls out of bed* What the heck!? Am I still asleep!? I'd more or less accept that we'd never get any more of this series. It's just been that darn long after all. But this is absolutely fantastic news!

As for sequel versus remake, I hope it is a sequel. The original anime were excellent. There's no way they can seriously improve on them. It'd just be spending time playing catch up. The phrasing can go either way. Considering the first two seasons were done by different studios it would be awkward to call it season 3. But a remake could be fine. It would just mean we're talking a long wait for material that hasn't already been animated.

Horo making her comeback! Please keep the same voice cast. Just wouldn't be right without Koshimizu Ami and Fukuyama Jun.

Frontier 2022-02-25 11:23

This really is the era for inexplicably bringing back franchises people never thought we'd get continuations too. Not that I mind :D.

Blaat 2022-02-25 11:38

First Devil has a part time job and now this, what's next a new Haruhi season? :heh:

Mazryonh 2022-02-25 11:47

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Originally Posted by FlareKnight (Post 6502831)
Horo making her comeback! Please keep the same voice cast. Just wouldn't be right without Koshimizu Ami and Fukuyama Jun.

I'm pleasantly surprised by this news too, but Koshimizu Ami as Horo may not be guaranteed. According to this Japanese tweet, Koshimizu Ami started her own agency, which may snarl the possibility of her returning as Horo if her new self-started agency means she asks for too much money to portray Horo again.

Can anyone here translate this tweet from Koshimizu Ami? I'd very much like for her to reprise this iconic role of hers, but if there's one thing I've learned about the Japanese seiyuu industry, it's that the seiyuu are ultimately replaceable. Look at how they replaced the entire Japanese voice cast when it came time for D. Gray man's new anime season, or how none of the original version's Japanese voice cast were invited back when it came time to remake Fruits Basket. It's like the original voice actors were just obsolete trash to be tossed out in favour of "fresh meat."

And why did they have to wait so long to make a new season of Spice and Wolf anyway?

FlareKnight 2022-02-25 14:03

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Originally Posted by Mazryonh (Post 6502846)
I'm pleasantly surprised by this news too, but Koshimizu Ami as Horo may not be guaranteed. According to this Japanese tweet, Koshimizu Ami started her own agency, which may snarl the possibility of her returning as Horo if her new self-started agency means she asks for too much money to portray Horo again.

Can anyone here translate this tweet from Koshimizu Ami? I'd very much like for her to reprise this iconic role of hers, but if there's one thing I've learned about the Japanese seiyuu industry, it's that the seiyuu are ultimately replaceable. Look at how they replaced the entire Japanese voice cast when it came time for D. Gray man's new anime season, or how none of the original version's Japanese voice cast were invited back when it came time to remake Fruits Basket. It's like the original voice actors were just obsolete trash to be tossed out in favour of "fresh meat."

And why did they have to wait so long to make a new season of Spice and Wolf anyway?

I do not need to remember the trauma of the absolute recasting of D.Gray-Man. Did anyone come back for that at all?

I'll just presume she's coming back until something different is announced. Otherwise it takes the pure hype out of this announcement. Plus new agency or not I'm sure she likes getting work :). Recasting does happen. But honestly those examples seem like an extreme outliers. There were a lot of issues connected to the D.Gray-Man change of almost everything (animation studio, character designs, voice actors, etc).

They may not bring everyone back. Which is definitely not a big deal with how the story tends to leave the supporting cast behind as the journey continues. But I've seen way too many sequels and remakes pick up the original main cast to worry about it at this stage.

serenade_beta 2022-02-25 17:49

Can't really say much since we don't know anything about the character designer, the VAs, or even the story.

But hey, it's a lesson that you could be caught flaming your peers on 2ch and still remain prominent enough in the industry to get an anime adaption, as long as you continue writing.

Twi 2022-02-25 17:59

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Originally Posted by Blaat (Post 6502844)
First Devil has a part time job and now this, what's next a new Haruhi season? :heh:

Tiger and Bunny too. This year has been making some strong comebacks with older series.

Ragashingo 2022-02-25 19:09

Cool. I've been looking forward to the audio book version coming out in about a month's time. Narrated by J. Michael Tatum. And now we get more anime, too?!

It's all a bit scary to learn one of your favorites is getting more content years later. See: Madoka Magica... Yes, I'd prefer just more of what we had. Definitely want the old cast back. Both of them. Beyond that, just make it good.

Mazryonh 2022-02-25 22:52

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Originally Posted by serenade_beta (Post 6502873)
But hey, it's a lesson that you could be caught flaming your peers on 2ch and still remain prominent enough in the industry to get an anime adaption, as long as you continue writing.

Are you saying that the author of Spice and Wolf was "caught flaming" his peers on 2ch? What happened there?

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Originally Posted by FlareKnight (Post 6502862)
I'll just presume she's coming back until something different is announced. Otherwise it takes the pure hype out of this announcement. Plus new agency or not I'm sure she likes getting work :). Recasting does happen. But honestly those examples seem like an extreme outliers. There were a lot of issues connected to the D.Gray-Man change of almost everything (animation studio, character designs, voice actors, etc).

What were the issues that happened to the new D.Gray-Man season anyway?

Sure, Koshimizu almost certainly likes getting work. But clearly she started an independent agency for a reason. It could be that she's trying to secure better working conditions and compensation contracts for herself and anyone willing to sign onto her new agency, which has historically been something that Japanese corporate types have frowned on (why else do you think that there hasn't been a history of unionization in Japan, the very country that invented a word for "death by overwork," that being karoshi?).

Recasting Koshimizu and Fukuyama would indeed kill the hype the fanbase has built over this announcement of S&W's new season. But those examples may be less extreme than you think. Muv-Luv Alternative, a well-loved story in its day that supposedly even inspired the author of Attack on Titan to write his magnum opus, entirely ditched its original voice talent in favour of an all-new cast for an anime adaptation that has been widely considered to be botched at the very least, with the word being that they may have switched to the all-new cast to avoid paying so much to the original cast of whom not a few have become well-respected veterans in the seiyuu industry. If the people in charge can do that to MLA, who's to say it can't be done to S&W?

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Originally Posted by FlareKnight (Post 6502862)
They may not bring everyone back. Which is definitely not a big deal with how the story tends to leave the supporting cast behind as the journey continues. But I've seen way too many sequels and remakes pick up the original main cast to worry about it at this stage.

Maybe I've seen too many sequels and remakes not have the original main cast reprise their roles to be as confident as you are. But the only thing we can do is wait to find out.

serenade_beta 2022-02-25 23:59

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Originally Posted by Mazryonh (Post 6502909)
Are you saying that the author of Spice and Wolf was "caught flaming" his peers on 2ch? What happened there?

Yeah, totally. Happened quite a while back, but there was an info leak on 2ch where people were able to get the IPs/track the posts of people using the paid account system (probably Ronin).

More specifically, he, along with other authors like the one who did Kamisama no Memochou, are suspected of grouping together to flame the author of Hanbun no Tsuki ga Noboru Sora (and maybe others too, not going to go back deep into researching this)

Kamisama no Memochou's author issued an apology, but Spice and Wolf's has not even till this day. After the leak, he has stopped posting on his blog and Twitter.
Memochou's author's personal site is already dead, but of course, snapshots of his apology still exist to this day
https://nlab.itmedia.co.jp/nl/articl...7/news088.html


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Originally Posted by Mazryonh (Post 6502909)
What were the issues that happened to the new D.Gray-Man season anyway?

I just thought the new season was too gay, but I don't think this is an anime-only problem

Kanon 2022-02-26 08:23

This was on my "third season never" list. With all the surprising announcement lately, it feels like anything could happen.

Really happy in any case. And yeah, I hope the cast comes back, it just wouldn't be the same.

Nachtwandler 2022-02-26 11:01

Let's hope it's not just another 3d OVA. I don't care about Hasekura's issue with 2ch or other authors. I just like his writing. To bad my S&W light novel collection is probably destroyed now

blakstealth 2022-02-26 14:42

OH my freakin god

Mazryonh 2022-02-26 17:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by serenade_beta (Post 6502913)
Yeah, totally. Happened quite a while back, but there was an info leak on 2ch where people were able to get the IPs/track the posts of people using the paid account system (probably Ronin).

More specifically, he, along with other authors like the one who did Kamisama no Memochou, are suspected of grouping together to flame the author of Hanbun no Tsuki ga Noboru Sora (and maybe others too, not going to go back deep into researching this)

Hanbun no Tsuki ga Noboru Sora is from 2003 - 2006, so did the flaming happen a long time ago? Why on Earth would the author of S&W choose to flame that other author? I can't think of any benefit that S&W's author would get from flaming the author of HnTgNS.

Quote:

Originally Posted by serenade_beta (Post 6502913)
Kamisama no Memochou's author issued an apology, but Spice and Wolf's has not even till this day. After the leak, he has stopped posting on his blog and Twitter.
Memochou's author's personal site is already dead, but of course, snapshots of his apology still exist to this day
https://nlab.itmedia.co.jp/nl/articl...7/news088.html

So are people still giving S&W's author flak for that bit of flaming?

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Originally Posted by serenade_beta (Post 6502913)
I just thought the new season was too gay, but I don't think this is an anime-only problem

Was it something wrong with D.Gray-Man's source material?

serenade_beta 2022-02-26 18:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mazryonh (Post 6502987)
Hanbun no Tsuki ga Noboru Sora is from 2003 - 2006, so did the flaming happen a long time ago? Why on Earth would the author of S&W choose to flame that other author? I can't think of any benefit that S&W's author would get from flaming the author of HnTgNS.

HanTsuki is just one of his works. He was flaming the author, not HanTsuki. Almost 10 years now though, yeah.

So, this actually happened in two steps. Hehe, you motivated me to do a bit more refreshing into this subject.

In the first step around 2011, Hantsuki's author said something that Memochou's and SpiceWolf's authors did not like, so they decided to flame and bully him on 2ch. BTW, Durararara's author was also one of the ones participating in this bullying.
Hantsuki's author told the correct authorities about this plan, and they got into trouble. This happened in private though, and was not found out until the leak.

Then in 2013, the leak occurred and the public learned about what they did, with their own eyes.
Basically, Memochou's author, Spice and Wolf's author, etc... They formed a group to negative-campaign others, praise their own works, so on. And their target was not just Hantsuki's author, but other ones like Akira (日日日) who would not join their group. You know, classic bullying + hurting rivals. That bad shit.

I'm pretty sure you know how there are people on the internet that just haaaaaaaaate opinions not matching their own.
Now, imagine that guy is a rival working in the same industry.
Yeah. There's your motivation.

For more details, run this website through Google Translate or something. It has all the information you want (or don't want) on the incident, as well as anything else bad Spice and Wolf's author did and got dug up
https://w.atwiki.jp/hasekuraisuna/


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Originally Posted by Mazryonh (Post 6502987)
So are people still giving S&W's author flak for that bit of flaming?

Hmm, not really. People have moved on. When he started running away by closing his blog and Twitter, that really poured gasoline on the fire and resulted him getting doxed though.
Would the fire rekindle if he resumed...? Don't know. Don't really think people care that much about this series now, outside of its core fans.
Also, I worded it lightly, but what they did was more egregious, as I explained a bit more in this post.

Of course, the smartest decision would be to just apologize, but... *shrug*
Memochou's author did, and he gets to use Twitter and all of that stuff.

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Originally Posted by Mazryonh (Post 6502987)
Was it something wrong with D.Gray-Man's source material?

Probably. It doesn't help that the only main girl character was sidelined.

Nachtwandler 2023-06-29 05:28

New Ookami to Koushinryou (Spice and Wolf) anime
 
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Announced for 2024. Director and main cast are returning. Passione is the new studio.

Ragashingo 2023-06-29 06:25

From the trailer it looks like they’re starting back at the beginning and readapting it. I guess there could be good reasons… Better animation, a more faithful adaptation, and/or dare we hope for a series set up for the long haul of adapting the entire thing?

I’m not repulsed by this new version or anything, but they also haven’t yet shown me why starting over is better than continuing on from where the previous show ended…

Dop 2023-06-29 07:10

So... is this going to be a complete reboot?
It's been well over a decade since the last season so that might make sense?

Alternatively, as it's been so long since the last they might start with some recap episodes and the trailer might indicate that?

Guess we'll have to wait for further details.

Still going to watch though!

Last Sinner 2023-06-29 07:31

They were doing VR only stuff in between - who knows what their aim was.

Very confused. What was wrong with the first two seasons? Seriously, what? Unless this is going right to the end guaranteed, going right from the start is bewildering.

Mushishi took 9 years away, did its second season and maintained its sales. Loyal fans will return.

It's not like I won't watch it. But...just feels like either an unecessary risk or greed.

MeoTwister5 2023-06-29 08:13

In the name of Holo please finish the damn thing now. The tag lines for the show imply a continuation of their journey and they got Jun Fukuyama and Ami Koshimizu to reprise their roles so it doesn't make sense to start from the beginning.

Nachtwandler 2023-06-29 08:13

They have changed some things from the novels in the previous adaptation (like making the antagonist of the first arc a girl) but who knows what is the reason for possible reboot instead of the continuation.

serenade_beta 2023-06-29 10:09

New Ookami adaptation: I wake

Might be a reboot and thus old content
Not Kuroda Kazuya character design (I think yet different from the previous one too?)
:
I sleep

Last Sinner 2023-06-29 10:46

Maybe this is why?

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Hasekura launched the Spice and Wolf novel series with illustrations by Jū Ayakura in 2006. The novels took a break after the 17th volume in 2011, and returned with the 18th volume in 2016. The 24th and latest volume shipped on January 7. Yen Press will publish the 24th novel in North America in August, and is also publishing the manga adaptation
So...it was never actually finished anyway?? Or is LN content beyond 17 just about the adventures of their kids?

serenade_beta 2023-06-29 11:06

Come to think of it, isn't this the author that banded with other authors to slander the author who wrote Hanbun no Tsuki ga Noboru Sora on 2ch?
Huh, I'm surprised he showed his face again

FlareKnight 2023-06-29 11:50

Ok, so we are going full blown reboot.

I guess it makes sense. The second season did air back in 2009. And even then there was a bit of skipped content. Pretty sure they skipped a whole volume in the second season. That is the only reason I can kind of get doing a full reboot.

But still, it's a bit of a downer. Even if they go at the same pace as the original we're talking years before we actually see new material animated. And are they even prepared to animate the whole franchise? If this ends up a 1 cour reboot that only covers the first couple volumes then it really will feel pointless.

I'll hope for the best. Honestly I did really want this to just be a season 3 so we could pick up from there. But if we're really starting from the beginning then I just hope that this becomes a full adaptation that gives us something new to enjoy eventually.

Oh no, just realized it's the studio behind the disaster storm of Higurashi Gou and Sotsu. Well this project just picked up some huge red flags.

Nachtwandler 2023-06-29 13:49

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Originally Posted by Last Sinner (Post 6551268)
Maybe this is why?



So...it was never actually finished anyway?? Or is LN content beyond 17 just about the adventures of their kids?

Yes and no. Volumes 18- (collectively called "Spring log") are just aside-story collections.

There is, however, a separate series called "Parchment and Wolf"
Spoiler:
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Originally Posted by serenade_beta (Post 6551273)
Come to think of it, isn't this the author that banded with other authors to slander the author who wrote Hanbun no Tsuki ga Noboru Sora on 2ch?
Huh, I'm surprised he showed his face again

Oh, hey, this guy not only likes to complain 95% of time about everything he watches, he also remembers every grudge, even if it is like 12 years old. Good for you. I bet you are one of the guys who frequent 2ch themselves.

serenade_beta 2023-06-29 16:02

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Originally Posted by Nachtwandler (Post 6551292)
Oh, hey, this guy not only likes to complain 95% of time about everything he watches, he also remembers every grudge, even if it is like 12 years old. Good for you. I bet you are one of the guys who frequent 2ch themselves.

Lol, you clearly remember me and want to harp on me off-topic to the thread, so you shouldn't be the one talking :heh: I don't remember you, that's for sure.

Also, no, why would I have a grudge on him slandering a complete stranger? This was part of the biggest data leak on 2ch in its history, including many other big names being discovered. People remember the sinking of the Titanic and that happened over 100 years ago

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Originally Posted by Nachtwandler (Post 6551292)
Good for you. I bet you are one of the guys who frequent 2ch themselves.

Too desperate, man. There are plenty of people that frequent the site. That means nothing itself. Get off my ass

Nachtwandler 2023-06-29 16:34

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Originally Posted by serenade_beta (Post 6551304)
Lol, you clearly remember me and want to harp on me off-topic to the thread, so you shouldn't be the one talking :heh: I don't remember you, that's for sure.

Also, no, why would I have a grudge on him slandering a complete stranger? This was part of the biggest data leak on 2ch in its history, including many other big names being discovered. People remember the sinking of the Titanic and that happened over 100 years ago



Too desperate, man. There are plenty of people that frequent the site. That means nothing itself. Get off my ass

Oh yeah, it is so mature to come out in a topic about the anime adaptation a lot of people hoped for to be revived and first proclame you won't watch it anyway and when rant about what a dick the LN author is because of one controvercy that happened like 12 o 13 years ago and that he should never show on public because of this now. I won't write anything more, I just don't like people being dicks to much. Let others enjoy the announcment.

Frontier 2023-06-29 17:54

Well, some of the original staff + Kevin Penkin is a good sign, especially knowing that they knew they couldn't beat the chemistry of FukuJun and Ami Koshimizu :).

At the same time I wonder how much of this is a remake starting from the beginning with the intention of adapting everything (Brotherhood, Shaman King, Fruits Basket, etc.) or a modern remake for the sake of getting some new eyeballs on the property :eyespin:.
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Originally Posted by FlareKnight (Post 6551279)
Oh no, just realized it's the studio behind the disaster storm of Higurashi Gou and Sotsu. Well this project just picked up some huge red flags.

Passione's done some good stuff though. I would say this is different from the usual series people expect from them but then we have naked Holo in the trailer :heh:.

Last Sinner 2023-06-29 18:08

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Originally Posted by Frontier (Post 6551317)
I would say this is different from the usual series people expect from them but then we have naked Holo in the trailer :heh:.

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